Intuition, things happening for a reason etc...

[JessicaLynn]

I hate that saying. It makes me feel vulnerable to 'fate' and have no control, but as I think about everything that I felt went wrong in my life has so far lead me into a situation I want to be in and am nurtured by. And it just makes me think.

In Primary School, I would sit in the exact same place everyday to wait for my mum to pick me up. It was on a wooden post next to the crossing lady. One day for no reason, I sat there, and then decided I wanted to sit on the other side. There wasn't ever any reason to mum never picked me up from that side and that wooden post always looked like it was about to break but I crossed the road and sat down anyway and the second I sat down two cars plowed into where I was sitting and smashed the wooden post to smithereens.

When has your intuition guided you into doing something incredible? Was it a thought, or a feeling? What have you noticed enhances or numbs your intuition? Does everything happen for a reason? Do you HAAATE that saying?

I feel I hate it because people use it about everything. Like my friend hit a pigeon with her car, and my sis was all like that bird got hit and gave up It's life to show you you weren't paying attention, and I'm all like, fuck you, pigeons are dumb as shit and get hit all the time coz they're deaf. But on the CONTRARY. I avoided death or paraplegia coz SOMETHING told me to move. And I can't help but wonder if It's because I have a lot to offer the world...or the reason thing.

Thoughts?

[Aimee]

I hate the whole "everything happens for a reason" bullshit more than I could ever express. I hate it even more now after dealing with my dad's death. Numerous people would say that to me and it made me so angry. In fact, I even thought it was rude. Almost like I should be "happy" for my dad's death because there's "a reason." WTF? What is that?? How about this....people just DIE sometimes. And it sucks. And I have every right to feel everything I feel about the situation, whether it be sadness, anger, or whatever.

I also hate it when people talk about that with relationships. It's just something people say to make someone feel better (or make themselves feel better). "If it's meant to be, it will be." REALLY??? You honestly believe that?? If that were true, why would anyone work on improving themselves? Why should a boyfriend focus on spending time with his girlfriend if it's just going to work out no matter what? It's "meant to be," right?

Intuition, however, is something totally different. Not in the sense you're talking about, though. I think what you're talking about is just coincidence (just my opinion....). But I do believe in a "gut feeling." More about judging someone's character or getting a bad feeling about being in a certain situation.

I don't know. I'm a little bitter about the whole thing. And super sensitive to it right now, so I'm sorry if I come across bitchy or crazy. I just think it's arrogant of people to feel like they were saved by their own intuition. Why you (not you specifically, Syco)? Why did your intuition save you and Joe Schmo that got hit by a car wasn't saved by his intuition? Sometimes, we're just lucky.

[Brewtality]

Everything happens for a reason?

Stevie Ray Vaughn - Dead.
Randy Rhoads -Dead. Plane crash.
Jimi Hendrix - Dead. Choked on own vomit.
Dimebag Darrell Abbot - Dead. Murdered.
Kurt Cobain - Dead. Shotgun to face.
Buddy Holly - Dead. Plane crash
Cliff Burton - Dead. Bus crash.

Gerard Way and rest of My Chemical Romance - Multi-millionnaires with successful careers.
Linkin Park -Shite but headlining festivals around the world.
Lady Gaga - Shite but...ditto
Miley Cyrus - ..............
etc...

If all this hapenned for a reason then that reason is BULLSHIT and I want no further part in it.

The 'everything happens for a reason/predestination' stuff just comes from the same place/insecurity as religion. You want answers and you want an explanation to a phenomena or event which you are going to be satisfied with. I mean Syco, I'd say that you were just lucky that you decided not to wait for your mom on the day that the post got twatted by those cars. That was obviously quite a significant moment in your life and so you want to feel like there is some meaning behind it just like some people look at the sunset and that's their proof that God exists. "It can't have just...hapenned!". If everything hapenned for a reason then it'd actually take away from the fact you were so lucky not to get killed that day because it would mean that not getting hit by those cars was no more significant to your life than the last dump you took.

[Tia]

Yeah, I agree. The whole reasoning is great, as long as you don't think about everybody else. Like when there's miraculous recoveries in emergency rooms and such and the doctors and family and everyone else goes "It's a miracle! We prayed and prayed and now he's better again!" it just angers me to shit because yeah, so where was my dad's miracle? He somehow deserved to die while someone else didn't? There wasn't a 'reason' to let him live? How about a 12 year old daughter and 8 year old son? No, still not enough of a reason? Guess it was just 'his time,' huh? [Not mad at you, just the reasoning.]

The older I get, the less I believe in 'reasons.' I believe in coincidences, even spectacular coincidences. The human brain is hardwired to see patterns in everything and not like the idea of complete randomness, but tough cookies, that's the way the universe works. At most, I believe that we can absorb information subconsciously, which gives us gut feelings and gut reactions that can sometimes work to our favor. But some overarching "plan of the universe" that decides that certain people live and certain people die and it's all nice and neat and explained? No.

I've been 'almost' hit by idiot NYC bicyclists a few times. They go so fast that you can end up seriously hurt, in the hospital with multiple broken bones, even if it's not as fatal as a car crash. My mom knows someone who got a shattered pelvis from a speeding bike. So when I miss one of those things by less than an inch, do I say "Wow someone must be watching out for me" or "There's a reason I'm still alive" ? No, because I know that in that same second, someone else was hit by a bike or a car or something worse and for me to say that there was a reason for me to live, means that other person didn't have a 'reason' to live that was deemed sufficiently worthy by the universe, or whatever. It's just stupid and depressing. It might make you feel better to be able to say "I'm so important and destined for greater things!!" but while you're saying that, remember that you're in effect saying the opposite about everyone who wasn't saved-at-the-last-minute.

[Gosu]

One word: Coincidence.

[Fruity]

I know a girl whose mother died when she was in high school The other night we were talking, and she was saying how good her relationship is with her dad now and it wouldn't have happened if her mother hadn't died, so maybe her mother had to die so she could have that with her dad. It made my uncomfortable, because surely there are better ways to achieve that and have your mother live. I guess she's just focussing on the positives of the situation.

[JessicaLynn]

Brew, I've read your post a couple of times and I honestly can't decipher if you're making a general statement or a personal attack.

Aimee I can't imagine how that feels I've never had anyone say the reason deal with such an important topic...

And Tia I know how important one second is. A tree landed on my mothers bonnet while she was driving one second further ahead she could have died. I think intuition plays a massive part in it. And in those situations the people who really listen to their gut can survive.

[Payaso]

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[Brewtality]

No I wasn't making a personal attack at all. I know I use 'you' a lot but it's meant in the general sense.