Thread: Attention Dykes, Fags and Mutants...

Nor proper brainwashing though. Of course you can change your lifestyle but what your brain does when you're not looking is a different kettle of fish. The CIA tried it with MKULTRA but it failed, the Soviets tried it too but they also failed. Religious cults manage to make people do things they wouldn't normally do but that's different to turning a gay person straight.

Before you reach a conclusion Tri are you fucken serious? By that comment, Narth clearly is an extremist organization who no member of this board I have seen hold such views.

Silly.

What's wrong with having a chat about something?

Nothing. Sorry. Sometimes I sound smart and I have to milk it.

Originally Posted by Brewtality

Nor proper brainwashing though. Of course you can change your lifestyle but what your brain does when you're not looking is a different kettle of fish. The CIA tried it with MKULTRA but it failed, the Soviets tried it too but they also failed. Religious cults manage to make people do things they wouldn't normally do but that's different to turning a gay person straight.

Um most people want to stop "being" homosexual for religious reasons since it's condemned by religion. I don't really see how it's any different than a religious faction brainwashing people to become something they're not and carry out their "mission".

I was being sarcastic about the brainwashing working. I was only stating that what these organizations are doing is just brainwashing these people, enough guilt and pseudo-science will mold any weak-minded person temporarily. They let it happen because they want it to and they think that being straight will make them happy.

Originally Posted by Trionix

Regardless of politics, homosexuality is what it is: a behavioral pattern associated with what, by any reasonable standard, must be regarded as an unacceptable prevalence of medical and emotional illness.

So says one of the founders of NARTH, the National Association for Research & Therapy of Homosexuality, an organisation designed to help people rid themselves of unwanted homosexual thoughts.

This to me holds great parallels with X-Men, if you'll forgive the slightly crass comparison of mutants and homosexuals. Two schools of thought are held by mutants both good and evil with regards to a potential cure, and generally these schools are dictated by the mutant's background. If we look at one such as Rogue, who feels that she cannot ever be physically close with those she loves because of her 'mutation', it's easy to understand why she wants her powers taken away. A teenager who has grown up in an environment where homosexuality is highly frowned upon, and is in fact very rare, might feel exactly the same way, and head to a place such as this.

On the other side, you have the Magnetos and the Ian McKellens of the world, who believe that their 'mutations' are perfectly natural, not things to be hidden from those ignorant masses who do not understand the nature of their lives. These will of course frown upon such organisations as NARTH.

Where do you stand?

hmm, there are many reasons why being gay is considered a illness mainly because alot of gays dont stay gay or straight their whole life. so, i can see where someone would think its a illness. im not sure what it is really..

one of the major reasons being gay is looked down apond much like the mutants is cause people are afraid of them..freaked out about it. or dicussed(abc) by it..


the other part of this topic ill answer with this

i cant stand how people dont think brainwashing doesnt work.. everything your taught by your parents and the culture your grown up in.. is brainwashing ya you might have your own oppion on things but in general what your taught to belive you'll belive.. so when you say you cant brainwash someone your telling me you stop learning? and that no matter what anyone ever tells you you wont believe it?

im not sure about europe but in the early years of medicine in the united states we had eletro shock treatments for people who we though could be taught like a dog not to do something... or the opposite to do something.

so i can see where some gays would be more like magnetos group and scared of being weeded out.

Personally i dont really have a problem with gays just dont expect anyone to treat you like everyone else cause your not.

If brainwashing worked then you'd think that the people with the most to gain from it (governments) would've sorted it ages ago. If it was possible then you wouldn't need to torture terrorists would you because you could just brainwash them and get them to tell you everything. Learning as a child is not the same as taking an adult and changing their sexuality.

People being open to suggestion isn't the same as brainwashing. You're not going to get someone who loves being gay going to NARTH and NARTH wouldn't be able to do shit to them. Like I said before, it's like people with drug addiction. You want to rid yourself of the addiction so you go to rehab or therapy or whatever. You might stop using drugs altogether but you're still a drug addict.

Gutter - you wouldn't even be able to tell who's gay 90% of the time so you wouldn't know whether to treat them differently or not.

I don't know why people have such a fucking problem with homosexuality. They work, they pay taxes, they contribute to society, and they don't contribute to the overpopulation problem, instead they take abandoned or orphaned kids in and love them as their own. Real fucking dangerous to society.

Love thy neighbor. Bullshit.

Originally Posted by Gutter

Personally i dont really have a problem with gays just dont expect anyone to treat you like everyone else cause your not.

So being attracted to somebody suddenly makes you sooo different from the rest of humanity? How on earth is attraction such a big deal? We ARE like everyone else, we just happen to fall in love with different people. If that's honestly such a big deal to you that you think we should be treated differently, then news flash, you do have a problem with gays. You don't have to be actively beating us up to be bigoted.

Originally Posted by Tia

So being attracted to somebody suddenly makes you sooo different from the rest of humanity? How on earth is attraction such a big deal? We ARE like everyone else, we just happen to fall in love with different people. If that's honestly such a big deal to you that you think we should be treated differently, then news flash, you do have a problem with gays. You don't have to be actively beating us up to be bigoted.

tell me what percentage of the human race is gay? then tell me how you think any minority is treated? im not saying you should be treated differently but you are different.

Originally Posted by Brewtality

If brainwashing worked then you'd think that the people with the most to gain from it (governments) would've sorted it ages ago. If it was possible then you wouldn't need to torture terrorists would you because you could just brainwash them and get them to tell you everything. Learning as a child is not the same as taking an adult and changing their sexuality.

People being open to suggestion isn't the same as brainwashing. You're not going to get someone who loves being gay going to NARTH and NARTH wouldn't be able to do shit to them. Like I said before, it's like people with drug addiction. You want to rid yourself of the addiction so you go to rehab or therapy or whatever. You might stop using drugs altogether but you're still a drug addict.

Gutter - you wouldn't even be able to tell who's gay 90% of the time so you wouldn't know whether to treat them differently or not.

heeh, do you know why drugs are addictive? its cause of the sensation your brain gets from them, when you think about drugs all they are is a chemical or chemical reaction that tricks your brain and tells you this is the best feeling in the world. so after using the drug your body wants to feel it again and everything else in your life doesnt feel as good as it used to.


heeh, on the govement thing what do you think the law is? heres a set of rules to follow.. you have to follow them or else.. isnt that brainwashing?
pay your taxes or else the irs will get you..
i can go on and on about how goverments control their people thru brainwashing.. suggestion you might say um okay do you know what peer pressure is...and yea sure there are alot of revolts around the world with people who fight for what they believe in i guess those would be your people that dont give into brainwashing or suggestion.. someone might call them terrorist or radicals.

"Expecting" is like saying we should just accept it and deal with it and stop complaining about it and fighting it.. which, no, sorry, not happening.

Anyway, I think it is impossible for an outside force to change someone's orientation, and I think that organizations that try are sadly misleading a good portion of the public. I think people who say they changed are really deluding themselves out of self-hate or they think that sexual urges without action equals "cured." But I bet if someone put them through a brain scan, and showed a picture of a hot naked man, their brains would still react in about the same way, almost-immediate self-correction not being fast enough to kill instantaneous response.

Brainwashing can change behavior, it can change thoughts, it can change a lot of things but sexual orientation is not only about behavior. If it was, then virgins would all be asexual. I think something like an instinctive physical response, such as arousal, would be incredibly unlikely to be able to change with any amount of brainwashing. Suppressed, yes. But suppression is not the same as becoming straight. Not the same as suddenly finding women attractive. Or vice versa.

Ghetto, there's lots of people who convince themselves that they want the socially correct thing.. but this is why there's so many stories about marriages breaking up after 20 years because the guy suddenly can't take it anymore and can't continue hiding his true self. It always comes out eventually. Living a lie is more burdensome on the mind over time than you might think.

Put this question another way. Straight people, do you think that given sufficient brainwashing, you could be fully gay?