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    Today is June the 21st. In Australia it is the shortest day of the year, it is also the anniversary of my ex-fiancee's suicide.

    We had broken up, due to his drinking and being violent when he was drunk, and my inability to cope with that.

    The night it happened we had been separated for about 10 days, and he rang me, he was sober and miserable and wanted to discuss a reconciliation. I was pretty adamant about us needing to be realistic about our problems and maybe seeking some outside help, he was equally adamant that we could sort it out ourselves. We argued a bit, and then I said it was counterproductive and we should calm down and talk again later. He wanted to come over, and considering his mood I said no that it wasn't a good idea, and that maybe we should meet for a coffee or something later in the week. Then he lost it, started screaming at me about what a bitch I was, and if I was going to ruin his relationship by over-reacting to a couple of beatings then I was probably a slut as well. I despise the word slut, so I yelled into the phone "why don't you fuck off and die", then I hung up and called a friend after I locked all my doors - he was staying street away.

    I didn't think he'd take me seriously.

    According to the coroners report, the time of death was about 20 minutes after I had hung up.

    He hung himself over his bedroom door, because he was quite tall he had to hold his feet off the ground while he was dying, which would have taken about 10 minutes. His mother arrived home shortly after, and because his bedroom was at the end of a small hallway and the lights were off, she thought he was standing there, said hello and made him a cup of coffee. When she called out that the coffee was ready and he didn't answer she went to see if he had gone into his room. His mum is about my height - 5'1" - but she managed to cut him down.

    I heard the sirens, and my first thought was that he had smashed his mums place up. But sirens were common in that suburb, so I didn't take too much notice.

    Four days later - the day after he was buried - someone finally told me he was dead. Because the note he left blamed me, his friends blamed me, and started a story about his mum not wanting me at the funeral.

    The weeks that followed were hell, I was spat at in the street, and when I went into the local pub I was accused of killing him.

    I tried to understand his friends reactions, they had all grown up together and needed someone to turn their anger against and I was the easiest target, but it still hurt. I moved out of the area, and didn't even go to the grave for a year.

    When this all first happened I was angry, angry that he had done that to his mum, angry that he had blamed me, angry that he wasn't strong enough to deal with this. I told friends that suicide was the most selfish act possible, and that he was a selfish bastard.

    Over the years my attitude has changed completely.

    I now think that if a person wants to die, then they should have the right to do so. If someone is convinced that death is preferable to living, then it is very selfish of someone to demand that they live. To say to someone in pain ' don't you dare die, it would hurt me to much' is incredibly selfish. When you say that you are ignoring the pain that the person is suffering right now in favour of considering the pain that you might feel in the future.

    I do agree that in some cases suicide is a cry for help, and generally people that feel this is the only option will make sure that they make their attempt in such a way that they will be discovered and saved in time. I'm not talking about this type of suicidal behaviour. I mean the people who feel that they have exhausted all possible avenues of help, and that there is no end in sight to their suffering.

    But I also think that suicide shouldn't be done out of spite - as in my case - that is pointless. Thinking that 'they will all be sorry when I'm gone' is probably quite true, but it won't mean jack to you because you will be dead. But you will probably cause years of hurt to the people around you that you have blamed, which is a terrible thing to do.

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    How aweful, I'm sorry you had to go through all that.

    I have mixed feelings on suicide, for me it depends on the circumstances.

    Terminally ill, commits suicied so they wont have to go through the pain and suffering and so their loved ones wont have to witness it. I'm fine with.

    Depressed, angry, finiancally stressed, can't face up to something or own up to something and commits suicide I feel is a selfish and coward thing to do especially if they leave behind young kids and a partner.

    I think you would have to be in a certain mind set to be able to go through with commiting suicide.

    I wonder if it is only a certain kind of person that can commit suicide.

    Not just desparate as there are alot of people who have to deal with a lot of shit and downs in their life but they still keep going.

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    people who take their lives are responsible for their own actions
    he was an idiot
    no offence
    anyone to act in the manner that he did is seen as little to nothing in my view
    ............most suicidees blame people......... cause we all know, it's harder to blame ourselves.... hell, if they were able to take the blame THEY WOULDNT WRITE A DUMB NOTE

    you may say "but it's a persons last words"
    when your about to kill yourself....... would you be thinking straight? would your note make sense? and if you were thinking straight WHY WOULD YOU DO IT

    he should have gotten himself professional help long ago and you werent aware of what he thought...... you cant stop a person if they are planning to kill themselves no matter what you say, it doenst change how they think

    and to be thinking of suicide.................. to have killed himself............. your words to him were not the issue............ as i said.... if they are gunna do it, they are gunna do it and a little thing like that wont drive them to it....
    it's months of anger, depression, temporary insanity, helplessness and hopelessness

    remember him how he was (if it be an asshole, he was an asshole)
    dont try to make him more than what he seemed

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    when i was reading this i started to tear up cause i felt sorry for you and the way you were treatted that kinda pisses me off that you were blammed for is death.

    if they lisened to the conversation that you had he were haveing they would understand the fact that you were pissed

    i am sorry that you were blammed for it

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    Sorry to hear about that rebbie I really disagree with suicide, I really do think it's selfish. But, everyday someone kills themselves, dont how many though...I really do thinks it's tragic. Now I'm *probably* going to sound stupid but...everyone was put on this place for an purpose...to experience life. So, people shouldn't take their lifes away...even if they are terminally ill.

    Maybe because I strongely disagree the whole subject is because my ex boyfriend tried to kill himself...he even had the gun, the bullet, the suicide letter to his Mum, everything. But for some strange reason he chicken out...which I'm truly grateful...but I still can't understand why people put themselves and theyre families through this pain?!?

    Told you that it was going to sound stupid

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    I didnt know this was here, I was quite sure I'd looked through all these, but I guess I hadn't

    I agree with you, before my mom killed herself, and even for a while after...I was angry at her...I thought she was being selfish. I didnt understand how she could do that to us. I blamed everyone I could for it, mostly myself. But then, after I had a while to think about it. I realised...I don't blame her. She'd been through so much - I can honestly say I wouldnt have made it near as long as she did, if I had her life. So many mental illnesses that werent treated, or were poorly treated..lack of education and experience here with the professionals made it worse. And to top it off, nothing in her life went well, ever. Abuse, drug addictions etc. I think people get angry because they cant possibly comprehend how someone can feel so horrible, and like they've tried everything. Because most people don't feel that way. It's easier to point fingers, and get angry..than it is to possibly fathom how someone can hurt so much, and hate life so much that they'd want to die. Most people fear death, so when someone welcomes it, and wants it, we don't understand.

    I dont place blame anymore, I dont get angry at anyone anymore. I get angry in general, when I miss her..but its not directed at anyone or anything, just angry that she had to have a life that was so bad that it drove her to do that.

    I honestly believe she'd done everything she could to make things better...she quit drugs, she TRIED to make a better life for herself. She'd been severly depressed for 30 years...there wasnt much else she could do, it wasn't going to end. And I honestly feel when people are like that, that its okay. I mean..not okay, its horrible that things ever get to that point for anyone. But, I dont think it's selfish...she knew it was hurting us, and everything around her, life sucked for everyone around her. She didnt just do it to stop hurting, she did it for so many other reasons. And when someone's life has been as bad as hers - I can't say I blame them, or anyone for doing it.

    But, when it is out of spite, I agree, its selfish, cowardly and hurts way more people than just the one you were trying to spite. But I sometimes think, what appears to be someone doing it out of spite, is just someone who hid a lot from everyone for so long, and no one knew they were going through it, so it just seems like spite. When really, it was just the last straw, one more reason for them to do it. Im not sure, it really depends on the circumstances and the person. And sometimes, it is a cry for help. I believe MOST, not all, teenage suicides, are cries for help...everythings so fucked up at that time in life, and when everyones chalking up your feelings to "being a teenager", some feel the need to do something drastic to make people wake up and listen, sometimes its too drastic. I dont believe most teens want to die and end it all, they just want someone to listen and help. But, again, who knows, it always depends on the circumstances.

    Im really sorry about your loss Rebbie, I hope things have gotten better for you since then.

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    it makes me very sad that u had to live through that. it is a horrible situation to have to go through, especially since he is not around to explain exactly y he blamed u. it leaves people with a lot of questions and a lot of room to make up gossip. but i do have to disagree with the thoughts of suicide. i find suicide very not cool. in any circumstance. the thing that a lot of people dont get about suicide is that u r in a completly differnt state of mind with no reasoning. u really dont have a clue what is goin on, except all the times u have been hurt. when u r in the "mood" of doing that, all u can think about r the negitive times in ur life.a lot of people who have tried to commit suicide, but havent suceeded, basically woke up from their trance in time. im talking about the people who couldnt do it. the others who havent suceeded were jus lucky.people who think of suicide really need help,and ne kind would work. even if u barely know the person jus talking to them and having a good convo with them can help.to ne one who thinks about suicide i say this next thing to u. if u ever feel the need to kill urself, like u cant take ne more, jus think about everyone who was good to u, like ur closest friends, dont think about negitive things becuz it only makes it worse. sometimes even writing down your feelings, wait five min. listen to music then, and think about ur family and friends, then read them again can help too.. sometimes u feel silly be cuz u r a lot calmer and have a lot more reasoning power. i honestly feel that lie really cant be that bad to end it. there has to be something in ur life worth living for, u jus need to continualy remind ur self about it.

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    A quote from a movie...."theres no life besides the one we make."

    in all honesty if you feel that your life is so fucked up, that you want to die i say go ahead just don't take me with you.

    people have to learn that if you, mess with someones else life to live or die get by or what ever you want to call it that you need to be respectful/and honor them as a person. now, would i like for everyone of the people that i fight with to just go away sometimes and not bother me yeah, i would, do i get to the point where i say go die i damit, i do, the thing is that a few months later or even after we talk things out i'm happy. this guy and many other people have problems with coping with there problems even when they have more than most other people want... but still find the down side in everything that they don't have... love or what have you is important to most people but, for some it isn't, I'm not sure how I would respond if someone told me to kill myself if i loved them but, i know i wouldn't give a rats ass about it, if i just called her a slut.... some people have week skin or some sort of emotional response when they get rejected...i guess its from not being use to getting the short end of the stick or getting to much of it.

    anyways i feel that if your just having problems you should really think about them and what is important to you in life I feel killing yourself is very very bad, if you can't talk to some one about it go clear your mind by watching the sun rise do some walking runing in the woods clear your mind then watch the sun set... its beatiful...theres more than the little town you call home on this planet with different cultures and what not if you feel you don't fit in move to the next sooner or later you'll find one that you like. well im out is to fucking cold in the computer lab like 65 and 120 outside it doesn't feel good with a t shirt and shorts on...

    love you guys sorry rebbie i can't hug you or something...

    talk to you guys soon due to the new neat computers i can go on...

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