My oldest is 5yrs old and I take some of the stuff she says seriously, I don't go by age but by what they have to say and how they say it.
Age.... most people spend their childhood wishing for it, and then when they reach it, they wish for it to disappear.
But what is age?
Age is a number. Age is the amount of days, weeks, months and years that you've been on earth. Of course when you're four, you won't be able to become a doctor, or make a philosophy.... right?
What age are you to have reached 'maturity'? Can a 7 year old be as mature as an adult? Can an adult be as mature as a 7 year old?
All over the place, I hear many things. "You're not old enough to know your sexuality." "You're not old enough to know what you believe yet." "Your not old enough to understand."
Am I? Is having the number 13 tacked onto me all of a sudden making me immature? If it's my body and my life, shouldn't I be able to be believed? Or is my age the only thing that people see? Can't they see anything else in me, besides my age? I have been on this earth 13 years and 8 months. Is that really too short a time to 'understand' or 'know' anything?
When exactly is someone 'old enough' to know what they believe? To know which sex they like? to understand 'grown-up' problems? Is there a cutoff line between someone's 16th and 17th birthday that says, 'You're an adult now!' ?
I am the only one that has ever lived in my body. Aren't I the only one who can decide who I like or what I believe? Doesn't everyone deserve to be treated as if they know what they're talking about, no matter how old they are?
We do it with children. They say, 'I saw a UFO!' (or something like that) and we 'believe' them. But of course, since they're 'too young' we assume that they're just imagining it.
What if they weren't?
We all remember it. Being told that we're too young to do this, too young to do that. In truth, we probably were. And different people mature at different ages. My brother is nine and a half years old, and still doesn't really know how a man and woman have sex. By the time I was that age, I knew everything.
So my question is, how can people assume that you're too young to know something or feel something or do something? If I told you I was gay when I was 7 years old, what would make you believe me when I told you I was gay again when I was 17? The 10-year difference? The fact that I've had 'more experience'? Or does our society just not believe anything you say until you reach a magical age when all of a sudden, you're old enough to have your own beliefs?
I know that most of the time, young children truly ARE too immature to think for themselves. But for those who are, they still aren't allowed to think for themselves because society refuses to acknowledge them as 'old enough'.
Please, I want you to think about what age really means, and how old someone has to be before they are taken seriously.
My oldest is 5yrs old and I take some of the stuff she says seriously, I don't go by age but by what they have to say and how they say it.
Wow, i never thought about it that much. great article.
wow. thanks.i just wanted to make people think about what they say when they say 'your too young'.
Age... ah, to be -- again... but wait, I don't want to go to grade school/ junior high/ high school/ college again! I learned from it, now I have moved on.
I don't understand what people mean when they say, "Oh, I wish I was in high school!" What was so great about it? You play they game of school (most of us do, anyway) and move on. The fun part, the carefree part... sure I can understand those apects of wanting to be young again, but I like much more moving forward, growing and learning.
As for your issue, Tia, I think that it is really a state of mind. Out here on the Internet one can be anyone they want. Sometimes fakers get pointed out, sometimes they don't.
There are a number of people here at S-B who surprise me when I find out their age, because frankly on here I don't care. If I am asking for advice on something that is important to me, than I will take what everyone replies with as best I can. I am not thinking, "Oh, Jump is only -- years old, so I can't think he is serious." Or "Oh, DK is already -- years old, so he must understand this." I'll grant you that knowing things about someone, like I do about Jump and DK, helps to understand their advice (which is a huge reason why I am sooo glad Barn and Ruby got S-B up and running!), but for the most part, when I want to know something, that is what matters to me: How well you address and relate to the issue I asked about, not your age.
Now, I also have something to ask you: When manwiththeplan said this was a great article, how did you feel? Apparently pretty good, gauging by your reply. But let's take a look at what he said about the article: That he never really thought about it that much. I bet he doesn't take into consideration how old people are around here when folks reply to what he writes. But what did he really say about what you wrote and how you wrote it: Nothing. He told you he thought it was great. He didn't show you, he didn't point out, "Oh, this line here, --- , this really made me think" or "Hmmm, why did you choose this word over maybe this --- word?"
Here let me show you:
When you say this...
"I am the only one that has ever lived in my body. Aren't I the only one who can decide who I like or what I believe?"
...it really hit me how serious of an issue this is. You are indeed the only person to ever live in your body and you are the only one who can decide who you like or what you believe in. That is well phrased and poignant. When I was your age, that had not occured to me; I wish it had. A phrase like that would have served me well in telling my parents I didn't want to go to church anymore.
Now let me ask you: Which makes you feel better as a writer... what manwiththeplan said or what I said? (Oh, btw, manwiththeplan, I'm trying to make a point to Tia as a writer, I am not trying to diss you... I am truly glad you are thinking about this issue.) Why? What if I had said something negative but truly helped you improve this piece, woudl that matter?
Please understand, Tia, that I am trying to make you look at your writing ambitions. I am not trying to slam you. I want to help you.
Age is important to help define the averages. For example, the average 15 year old shouldn't drink beer. But, I am not an average 15 year old.
um, what does this have to do with writing?![]()
I wrote the article when i was sort of pissed off. a few days before a few people (here) said stuff like how i'm too young to be able to say that i'm gay, that im too yuong to understand what i believe yet, stuff like that. and it pissed me off. so i wrote this article.
I actually wasn't talking about my writing at all. I'm still not. The article was because i wanted people to see that you cant assume somebody is too young to believe this, or know that.
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some people here do care about age. otherwise the fact that i was thirteen wouldnt make any difference to them when i discussed my beliefs.
but anyway. thanks.pirate is my faveorite smily now. ha!
it fits everytihng.
You were saying that you can't judge a person by their age, which is kind of true. However, there a lot of 12 year olds that have very immature personalities. There are also a lot of 12 year olds that have mature personalities. But if somebody were to mention a 12 year old then they would think of the mass that has immature personalities. So that is why age is important in some regards. I don't see 12 year olds driving or drinking or smoking.
This is alot like the "Generation X, I have no respect for elders" philosophy.
With age comes experience, comes time to learn things, comes maturity...
Ever heard the expression "If I had known the things I do now when I was your age!"?
Also, you can be as mature as you want to be but your physical development hinders that. Why be that arrogant to think you have all the answers so early in life?
At 13, you should keep the window open for everything and not lock in what you believe. Be open-minded and listen to those elders. I thought you of all people would want that from people. Afterall, do you think people just become biggots when the reach adulthood? No, they hear it from adults when they are children who heard it from adults when they were children and so on. When you know what you believe at such a young age, you basically cancel out any way of reasoning out of it.
my beliefs arent set in concrete, like some people's i know.... (not you mav)
I Love you!!!!!not really but ive been try to get my rights as a "Teenager" for years
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....eh did I miss something? Who do you love Aaron?Originally posted by Aaron5367@Oct 13 2003, 07:03 PM
I Love you!!!!!not really but ive been try to get my rights as a "Teenager" for years
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But anyways, I definately think age is just a number to catagorize you. Of course in some cases its experience and shit, but I know sooooo many ppl who do not match their age at all in personality or appearance. So yea, I really hate when ppl make such a big deal about age![]()
Pirate captain is defo the best!
I dont think there really is an age were people start to believe and take into consideration what children say.. it all depends on the child, as some kids just lie ALOT , but others can be reliable from very young ages!
Interesting article.. well done![]()
there is no average, man. i mean, is a an average 15yr old supposed to be stuffed into their books or doing their thing, even if it is getting drunk, stoned, or overdosing on popcorn with their friends.i mean, why do people say that? there are those who act as if they should be in junior high, and are in college, and vice versa. i think that because there are so many restrictions for us, since we are so "fragile" and our bodies are not developed or whatever, they think that we are not developed of mind..at least that is what my sister sez, and she is 2 til 30.Originally posted by Mindscrape@Jul 8 2003, 09:19 PM
Age is important to help define the averages.* For example, the average 15 year old shouldn't drink beer.* But, I am not an average 15 year old.
I think that a lot of us say the things we say like that because when we were your age we thought we were so mature. We thought we were the cut above the rest. We thought we knew it all. Then low and behold say 10 years later we look back at how we were when we thought we were so mature and we realize that we weren't. We were 12 and we saw the world through the eyes as only a 12 year old can see it. Just like when you are 19 and in college you see things a lot differently than when say you are 26 and working full time trying to support yourself.
Does it make you more mature that you think you know who you are?? No. Everyone has ideas of who they are and those ideas keep changing as you get older. 13 is 13 is 13, while a 23 year old has the ability it be as mature as a 13 year old I find it hard to believe that a 13 year old can be as mature as a 23 year old.
That 23 year old has 23 years of experiences under his belt, while the 13 year old only has 13. They could have been rough experiences for the 13 year old and they could have shaped them into something different than a 13 year old who is carefree but they are still 13.
Have you noticed how maturity is only important to those people who are young? I am 29, and I am 29. I am not a 35 year old in a 29 year old body nor am I a 12 year old in a 29 year old body. I am my age and my 29 years of experience. That can never change except that I can get older as time passes.
The view of a 13 year year old is rather limited. Sure they may have experienced pain, may have suffered but what about being out on their own for the first time, having to make their own choices realizing that they cannot hide behind their age or their parents anymore. How about trying to make ends meet without the support of your parents? How about half a dozen other things that come about because we have to accept more responsibility as we get older.
My take on it all. If you are 13, enjoy it. Enjoy the simple time you live in because that all gets flushed away as you get older.
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