Thread: Mosque to be built close to Ground Zero

Originally Posted by Gutter

heeh from a military stand point letting something like a mosque be build on a site or even near one wouldnt be a good thing to show extremist they will take it and use it as propaganda

No they won't. If you knew anything about the political and religious ideology which lay behind the 9/11 attacks then you'd know that absolutely nobody is going to give a shit about sa Mulsim community centre a couple of blocks away from the old WTC site.

most of the people who are in the extremist groups dont think like americans do thats why we are still at war.

Is that the reason is it? So it's nothing to do with the fact that a large proportion of the Afghan population simply doesn't want foreign invaders installing a proxy government and that the Taliban still manage to recruit people who aren't religious extremists? Also, how different are the extremists? September 11th was an unprovoked shock-and-awe-style attack on the USA undertaken for political motives with religious backing. The Iraq war was an unrelated, unprovoked shock-and-awe style attack on Iraq which was undertaken by countries whose leaders were 100% sure that their religious deities were behind them all the way.

from my stand point i could really care less about a building but the fact that the memorial is still under construction is kinda pissing me off.

True. That's a joke really.

the only reason we invaded iraq was WMD's and guess what Report: Hundreds of WMDs Found in Iraq - U.S. Senate - FOXNews.com they had them.. iraq had a whole year to let the weapon inspectors into the country and they didnt. so the coilaition forces invaded and last time i checked we are withdrawing i dont see how they are even simular attacks hijacking planes and crashing them into buildings for the promise of 40 virgins... is the same as giving a hard line to do something that if they didnt do would result in war and its not like the US was the only country saying let the weapon inspectors in

You're seriously going to cite Fox News?

Thanks EVLsun. That puts it in a better perspective. We'll see what happens after it's built.

I fail to see how a Muslim Center two blocks from Ground Zero should be this big a deal. As if this place wouldn't be the most watched building in the history of domestic anti-terrorism.

But in this era of Terror Babies, I can't seem to think of a single thing the shit-head right-wingers wouldn't try to use for political gain.

Originally Posted by Gosu

You're seriously going to cite Fox News?

not fox the goverment officials but hey cant believe what they say right they are only elected buy the people that voted for em.

Gutter, don't make yourself look more stupid than you need to. There were no WMDs ready to go in Iraw and this has been accepted by everyone btoh in the USA and internationally. I remember Archer bringing up that FoxNews story 4 years ago and after looking deeper into the story, it was clear that some UNUSEABLE, old, rusted and decaying shells were found somewhere that had managed to escape the PROGRAM OF WMD DECOMISSIONING that went on in Iraq after the first Gulf War. They were certainly not the smoking gun, no matter what an out-of-date Fox News article says! To be honest mate, I find your belief that WMDs were 'the only reason' for the Iraq War to be utterly astounding and obivously ludicrously ill-informed. Are you even aware that there were weapons inspections being undertaken by UN teams headed by Hans Blix during the build-up to the war and that those teams were ordered out of Iraq not by the Iraqi regime, but by the 'coalition' forces who were ready to march in there and start a war? Obviously not because you seem to be under the false impression that the war was started because Iraq wasn't letting weapons inspectors in. If there were WMDs, then the inspection teams would have found them eventually, but they didn't because their operation was cut short by a war, and since said war, it has become even more plain to see that the WMDs Iraq had were destroyed after 1991. And yes, we are 'withdrawing', which means getting SOME combat troops out of there soonish and then leaving a 'non-combat' occupational force in there for the foreseeable future. Hardly a quick 'in and out' style operation.... Anyway, it also appears that you believe that the people who hijacked those planes and flew them into uildings were simply doing it for some virgins in heaven, which again shows how little you understand about this whole subject and so I'l let you get back to watching Glen Beck whilst not having a fucking clue.....

EVLSun is on the right path, though I would add that this brand of terrorism certainly isn't a specifically anti-American thing. It's more anti-liberalist. This extremist ideology is a combination of politcal ideology and religious fundamentalism (hmm, sound familiar?) and is not limited to one enemy like the USA. The ideological leaders of the 9/11 attacks and the collection of organisations lazily named 'al Qaeda' (a name not used by the terrorists until AFTER being given it by the USA) were active way before 2001. Ayman Al-Zawahiri who is the brains behind the 'al-Qaeda' operation was involved in an attempted coup against Sadat in Egypt, was the leader in the Egyptian Islamic Jihad movement and took part in or organised numerous terrorist attacks which had nothing to do with the USA and everything to do with killing those who shared a different political/religious viewpoint. The USA is more of an enemy post 9/11 than it was before because of the nature of the retaliation from 9/11.

In short, the whole issue of this Muslim centre is in fact a non-issue because it simply doesn't have anything to do with the 9/11 attacks and those who are trying to make those links are doing so because of their own personal issues and not because of reasoned analysis.

heeh, if muslims would see that as a fact of the american/ america having open communications and not the already millions of muslims in the united states id be shocked.

wmds isnt the only reason but its one of the reasons.. you tell me why youd kill yourself and a plane full of people then.. cause it doesnt make any sense to me once your dead your dead, maybe you go somewhere else maybe you dont all i know is you dont stay alive and have a nice long life surfing waves at the beach drinking a beer. etc..who are you dying for when your blow yourself up? will they be better off not having you there..


the reasoning is pretty simple alot of people here dont wanna see it there

ne ways Im still waiting to see how they are the same... cause they arnt ones a standing army fighting and the others some guys blowing up people that really have nothing to do with what the two sides are fighting about. its like me going to burger king and shooting all the people inside it cause mcdonalds messed up my order last time i had a burger

hmm the only thing i see wrong with the way the united states is handling things is that we keep on using the forces as a policing action instead of just taking what we want and getting out of there like any other country who invades does. guess that fact must mystify other coutries.

OK you're not even making any sense now.

the way i see it ground zero is sacred to many americans, building a mosque near by it is like building a head shop, adult boutique, tattoo shop or even a liquor store near or next to a public school. The general census, is people dont want these things nearby. NYC is a large city and is full of Muslims and i m sure they have many many other areas to build.

The perverse acts of the 9/11 bombers are against the teachings of The Quran and cannot be attributed to Islam - just as the acts of child molestation by Catholic Priests cannot be attributed to the Bible or Christianity. Is it "insensitive" to build churches 1-4 blocks away from schools - Ground Zero for previous acts of child molestation.

Something to think about: "Hallowed Ground" | History Eraser Button

If this wasn't an election year, you wouldn't hear nearly as much about it.

P.S. One of the people involved is also a major shareholder in Fox.