Why does that line upset you? Do you want them to get out sooner, or stay there longer, or have they already broken a few deadlines, or what?
U.S. Wants U.N. to Send Team to Iraq to Determine if Elections Feasible
By William Branigin and Colum Lynch
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, January 16, 2004; 5:05 PM
The United States, faced with mounting resistance to its transitional plans in Iraq from a leading Shiite Muslim cleric, wants the United Nations to send a team to Iraq to determine whether elections are feasible in the coming months and, if not, to help negotiate a compromise, U.S. and U.N. officials said today.
The request for such a team is to be made Monday when L. Paul Bremer, the U.S. administrator in Iraq, and Adnan Pachachi, the current head of the Iraqi Governing Council, visit U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan in New York. The scheduled meeting will mark the first time that Bremer has appeared at the United Nations since taking over as administrator of the U.S.-led occupation authority in Iraq last year.
In asking for a U.N. team to be sent to Baghdad, officials said, the Bush administration is signaling that it wants to involve the United Nations in trying to gain support for its transition plans from Shiites led by Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani, a leading Shiite cleric and Iraq's most popular religious leader. Sistani has denounced a U.S. plan, endorsed by the Iraqi Governing Council Nov. 15, to convene regional caucuses to select members of a new Iraqi assembly, which in turn would choose a provisional government by a June 30 deadline for the United States to hand over sovereignty to Iraqis.
Sistani wants the new government to be chosen through direct elections, a demand that U.S. officials say is unreasonable because the country has no election law, up-to-date voters lists or experience with democracy enabling it to hold nationwide voting within such a short time frame.
After meeting at the White House this afternoon with Bush and senior aides, Bremer said he hoped the United Nations could play a productive role in Iraq's political transition, including the formulation of a new constitution and the establishment of an electoral system.
"We do think there is a role for the United Nations in this process that I've laid out," he told reporters.
On the question of direct elections sought by some leading Iraqi Shiites, Bremer said he did not think a nationwide vote could be organized in time to meet the deadline for establishing a provisional government.
"It's quite clear that the Iraqi people also are anxious to get sovereignty back, and we're not anxious to extend our period of occupation, as the occupation authority, past June 30th," he said. "So we're intending to stick to the timeline that we've laid out."*
At the same time, Bremer repeated the willingness of U.S. and Iraqi officials to consider tweaking the regional caucus structure they have proposed in order to address the concerns of Sistani and other Iraqi religious leaders.
"We've always said we're willing to consider refinements," Bremer said. He said he did not want to go into "technical details," but that there were "all kinds of ways to organize partial elections and caucuses."
Before the meeting with Bush, the White House indicated it was anxious for the United Nations to return to Iraq to help work out a transition to Iraqi sovereignty, a U.N. role that the Bush administration had previously resisted.
While the United States is continuing to work within the framework of the Nov. 15 agreement, White House spokesman Scott McClellan said today, "obviously there are discussions about ways to refine or improve that agreement." He declined to discuss any specific proposed changes.
In a Dec. 30 letter to Annan, Abdul Aziz Hakim, then president of the Iraqi Governing Council, requested that a U.N. team be sent to Iraq to look into "the possibility of conducting elections for the provisional national assembly." If such elections are not feasible, the letter said, U.S. and Governing Council officials would cooperate with the United Nations to find the best way to choose representatives to the assembly "with the utmost transparency to reflect the real opinion of the Iraqi people."
In sending the letter, Hakim was widely seen as acting on behalf of Sistani. Hakim heads the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq, the largest Shiite Muslim political party. Shiites make up an estimated 60 percent of the population in Iraq, which long has been dominated politically by Sunni Muslims.
Annan replied in a Jan. 8 letter that "there may not be time to organize free, fair and credible elections for a provisional government within the framework of the 15 November agreement."
U.N. officials said Annan was reluctant to get drawn into negotiations between U.S. authorities and Sistani, and that he wanted the United Nations to have sufficient authority and independence to carry out any eventual role in Iraq.
Lynch reported from the United Nations in New York.
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*I just want you to think about this line because it upset me, wondering if it upset anyone else.
Why does that line upset you? Do you want them to get out sooner, or stay there longer, or have they already broken a few deadlines, or what?
Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, and hate leads to suffering. -Yoda
This bickering is pointless! - Moff Tarkin (you know, Darth Vader's boss in the first Star Wars movie)
Paper I wrote on the subject
I think, because we broke international order, abused our hegemony, and acted unilateraly that until we back down and apologize to the UN for overstepping our boundaries, we have the moral obligation to remain in Iraq until a stable government can be created.
Leaving now will allow the government to fall into an autocratic theocracy without a clear cut constitution.
We're leaving in a hurry because we made a mistake and it's almost re-election time.
That's what pisses me off. Read the paper and I think you'll understand.
Oh, I agree with you. I can't believe Bush actually asked for UN help with a straight face. Without apologizing. Without making ANY concessions to widely felt sentiments. He's making us look like a bully and a jerk - even more so than before, which of course completely undermines our soft power. The rest of the world will allow us to have power over them ONLY if we don't abuse that power. We push them too far, and we'll have nothing but trouble. Bush has already gone a long way towards pushing the world too far.
So Iraq is most definitely OUR problem, and I think we need to stay there and finish the job. First of all we need to establish order - no more rampant crime. Then we need to get the utilities working. And AFTER that, we need to proceed with working out feasible solutions for governing Iraq. Throughout the process we need to show our good faith by behaving as honestly as we can, and by including the Iraqis as much as possible in all of these activities. It will/would be hard, but it could be done, and it would go a long way towards repairing our image.
Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, and hate leads to suffering. -Yoda
This bickering is pointless! - Moff Tarkin (you know, Darth Vader's boss in the first Star Wars movie)
If we could just learn to leave every other country alone and not thrust our noses in other people's affairs, we would not have this problem or a lot of problems like it. Why give the rest of the world a chance to hate us? Why not just crawl back into our shell and close the doors? No more help for nations that ask for it or need it. No more immigrants. I mean not one. Put fences up and place machine gun towers on the borders. I mean if America is so bad, why do those people keep trying to come here in the first place? Huh. No more monetary aid to poor nations. Let's take care of number 1 for once. We never should have helped the English in WW1 or WW2. We should have forgiven the Japanese for their act of transgression (sp) on us all those years ago. We should have sat back and waited for the Germans to amass enough forces to make an assualt on our country. We could have rolled over as easy at the French did. Maybe someone would have bailed us out of the shit way back when and we could judge that person later on for their actions involving other nations.
Try to remember people, that as fucked up as the whole Iraq thing is, they started this whole mess 12 years ago and we never removed the source of power then. As far as I am concerned we just finished the job, weapons of mass destruction be damned. We will rebuild Iraq just as we did Japan and Germany. The people there already have more freedom then they ever knew under Hussein. They will have opportunities they never thought possible if they go with a democratic society. They will have basic human rights if they value that sort of thing. In the end though, it won't matter. All that will matter is that the Big, Bad U.S. came in and did a lot of damage to the status quo. We will look like the bully that the world wants us to be, because someone has to be the most powerful and someone has to be hated for the things it does.
I for one would like to see the billions upon billions of dollars that we have sent in humanitarian aid to countries that don't appreciate it and never will, returned to us. It's all part of my lets take care of number 1 and fuck the world theory. Close the doors and hang the gone fishin' sign folks. Enough is enough
Americans love their SUVs. Gotta feed the need.Originally posted by my cows@Jan 21 2004, 01:00 AM
If we could just learn to leave every other country alone and not thrust our noses in other people's affairs, we would not have this problem or a lot of problems like it. Why give the rest of the world a chance to hate us? Why not just crawl back into our shell and close the doors?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>Yes, yes...give me your sheltered, your haggard, your poor and all that feel good stuff. But in a geographical sense, most of our immigrants come from ONE country which just HAPPENS to be right next to us. But that's been slowing down since all our JOBS go down THERE. Now in an international sense, we don't see too many Germans and Micks moving to the states anymore because it's the golden land of opportunity.I mean if America is so bad, why do those people keep trying to come here in the first place? Huh.[/b]
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>Don't take this the wrong way, but neither of those were unilateral assualts on another government. Better examples paralleling the current Iraqi crisis would be Vietnam, Korea, and Afghanistan--all of which failed.We never should have helped the English in WW1 or WW2. We should have forgiven the Japanese for their act of transgression (sp) on us all those years ago. We should have sat back and waited for the Germans to amass enough forces to make an assualt on our country. We could have rolled over as easy at the French did.[/b]
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>Do you mean that *we* started this whole mess...like 20 years ago? Iran-Iraq war where we basically GAVE the power to Saddam in the first place?Try to remember people, that as fucked up as the whole Iraq thing is, they started this whole mess 12 years ago and we never removed the source of power then.[/b]
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>Or like we did Afghanistan, Korea, and Vietnam...We will rebuild Iraq just as we did Japan and Germany.[/b]
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>Eh. I really can't agree. There is no police force, so yes, in a sense SOME people are free, but the rest are scared shitless to even leave their homes. There are no jobs, no services, no infrastructure to speak of whatsoever.The people there already have more freedom then they ever knew under Hussein.[/b]
And I'd really like you to take a look at my article explaining how they'd have even less freedom in a democracy.![]()
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