Thread: US terrorists

Yeah, in a way we are terrorists. That is kind of implied with imperialsm. It is also different though. Kind of hard to explain. I'll think about it for a bit and get back to you.

Well, firstly, even you admit you don't get the whole picture. You don't know exactly what's going on in the white house. Your impressions of George W. Bush are skewed just as much as all the other information you are feed. I'm not saying I agree with GWB. For instance, people claim that GWB just cares about oil, oil, oil...money, money, money, but that doesn't make sense considering that America has spent billions of dollars of its own money to fight the war in Iraq. They're losing a lot of money. The thing is...your ideals and GWBs ideals don't match. You view the world differently from him and therefore you hate him. However, if you were a right wing conservative you might like him. No president will satisfy everyone. I don't agree with the way GWB is handling things, but it's up to Americans to decide if he should continue. That's how the system works.

Freedom...that will never happen. You don't even have freedom in yourself. Aren't you a slave of your own temptations? Freedom through an organization is a myth...it will never happen. It never existed. You'll never have peace with nationalism. The very foundation is wrong, but we keep trying to path the holes...that's my take on it.

To be fair to lostinmyhead, Bush should actually be impeached. I mean, Clinton lied over a fucking BJ. Now, Bush lies about a country containing Weapons of Mass Destruction and gets away clean. Even after Condaliza Rice and many others have come out saying that their original stances on the war in Iraq was totally wrong. Hell, now she even wants to redo her testimony. So, it is obvious that Bush and the rest of his administration knew that there actually wasn't anything in Iraq. Now Iraq hates us. People are afraid to go out of their houses. At least with Saddam, as fucked up as it may sound, they could go out of their houses... they were better off.

Yeah, true freedom won't ever happen as long as civilization exists.

Iraq always hated us. I think Iraq is in a bit better shape without Saddam. I'm glad to see him go, but it's obvious that Bush's intentions were to finish up Daddy's work. However, al Qaeda isn't a target on the map...they don't belong to a single country...so it's hard to wage a war on terrorists, but it's easy to do so with another country.

I was glad to see him go until I saw what we had done.

What do you mean?

I mean that people are scared. We can do whatever we want to them. Saddam's followers can do whatever they want to them. There isn't really any justice. The country has been torn up. One of the best libraries in the world was torn up. They have nothing to go on. People don't want to leave their houses because they are afraid of what will happen when if they do. The place has become more of a shithole than it ever was. Sure, eventually it will get better (hopefully at least). The question, of course, is when. When will we leave the country? When can the Iraqis finally feel safe?

Do you really feel the Iraqi people felt safe with Saddam in power? Now that Saddam is gone the American trade restrictions have been lifted. There are a lot of positives and negatives. Iraq needs to be "stabalized" and I use that term loosely here. That's going to take a while....and it's going to require a group effort. The Iraqi people want Americans out of there, but there's still a lot of work that needs to be done and they need America's help to do it no matter how much they hate us.

Recently Saddam was being closely watched...so he stopped his mass suicides and all the other horrible things he did...he still did horrible things, but they just weren't "as" visible to the rest of the world. So, I don't think things were as bad as they were in the past with Saddam...but the guy is still fuckin' evil and I'm happy to see him gone.

When Saddam was in power the libraries were filled with propaganda....the place was a mess before we came in there. It's a mess now and it will continue to be a mess, but hopefully things will turn around in time, but even I'm skeptical of that.

No, the United States of America is not using terrorist tactics.

Terrorism is the use of covert, guerilla warfare style operations, against undefended civilians.

There is nothing covert about a tank. The military forces in Iraq do not deliberately target civilians with the object of creating the most casualties and instilling the entire populace with fear.

It is not an ideal situation in Iraq. It`s a dang shame that the entire place is a war zone. However, the forces occupying the place are not terrorists.

lost has been reading too many Micheal Moore books...

Oh, there is no doubt that Saddam was evil. The people of Iraq definitely didn't feel safe with him in power. But it seems like everytime I put on NPR or the News Hour, I hear the testimony of some Iraqi civilian declaring just how much the place sucks now. Imagine how you would feel if half of your city was destroyed, the people who came to rescue you are just making problems worse, and everytime you leave your house you face the risk of being shot by one of the two sides. You never know when you will be walking along and a bomb will go off.

What I am trying to depict for you is a country that is out of control. I know this sounds really cynical, but it is true. At least Saddam's oppression had control; at least the people knew more or less what guidelines to follow if they wanted to survive. They could go out of their houses, abide by the regulations and not be killed (for the most part). Yet now, there are no rules of survival. Any sense of order that used to be there, is gone.

As the days pass it seems like we are doing more to magnify the problem than we are doing to help it. What we need to do is leave.

Also, Pitbull, I would agree that with the war in Iraq the US is not being terrorists. But during Vietnam there was no doubt that we were terrorists. Well, I guess, how do we know that we aren't still doing the kind of stuff we did in Vietnam against Korea? I know that I am starting to sound like a conspiracy theory wacko. Heidegger, one of Hitler's advisors, said something to the effect of how he was skeptical of eveything about the Nazis. Except, he never imagined that it would go as far as concentration camps with mass genocide. You can never be too sure. We did it in the past, we could be doing it now. Although I doubt that we are doing the same things we did during Vietnam, it is still a possibility not to be dismissed. Especially since the only thing this administrations seems to be able to do is lie.

Great post, Mindscrape.

See "Bowling for Columbine."

In it is a timeline of the U.S.'s dealings with foreing policy and whatnot, including expelling democratically-elected presidents to be replaced by selected dictators, giving money to Iraq and Iran to fight each other, and giving billions of dollars of CIA training to Osama Bin Laden himself.

Eye-opener.