Kamikazes Wrong?

**Gone** · 11-07-2004 02:53 PM

what do you think god will do to those kamakazie suacide bombers? they are brain washed in believing they will go to heaven instantly. they believe its the #1 best thing you could ever do for god. so, in their minds their 100% sure this is the right thing to do. although it isnt, they believe so.

heres my question, what will be of these "men" on their judgement day? do you think god will accept them because they were brain washed into believing he would praise them for it or do you think god will just not care because they killed thousands?

this question requires thought so dont just answer "i hope they all burn in hell forever" right away. this may be what you truly feel, if it is say it. but if its just your first reaction try to think past that and actually consider it. i myself think god will punish them but not ban them to hell instantly. what they did was wrong but they thought in their minds what they did was right. as i said, i would like to know they are suffering like all hell right now but not sentenced to hell forever. i guess this question would have to require knowing what they were really thinking at the time. were they really brain washed or did they just hate who ever they were doing it to?

anyway, theres my perspective on things, whats yours?

**phrogget** · 11-07-2004 04:35 PM

It depends who's god? To them, they are doing god's work, and they will be rewarded for it.
I don't believe god will actually do anything to them, because I think everyones spirit just takes a natural journey without interference from god, whatever that is.

Personally, I don't think they'll be doing anything but getting re-incarnated for a long time.

**Gone** · 11-07-2004 06:27 PM

so what they did was right, wrong, or do you think they did what they did its nor right nor wrong?

**messed** · 11-07-2004 06:41 PM

man were all going to heaven, even them, everyone except montgomery burns.
when we die we all go off some place, and if were all here in the same place, we obviously all have to go to the next same place. boy i sure hope it's chocolate land.

**Gone** · 11-07-2004 06:46 PM

so your sayin there is no purgitory/hell? im not christian anymore but i still remember how all this shit works.

come on people, you can do it, just post because i wana know what will most likely happen to these people.

**Tim** · 11-07-2004 07:16 PM

God, in a sense of a omnipotent diety, does not exist. They will go one much as anyone else will. The moral spectrum is a quality only the grounded mind has.

**phrogget** · 11-08-2004 04:16 AM

Originally posted by _=-GoNe-=_@Nov 7 2004, 04:27 PM
so what they did was right, wrong, or do you think they did what they did its nor right nor wrong?
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Of course it's wrong. Killing is wrong, mostly, But I don't believe in heaven or hell, as if they were places, so I don't believe they will be punished outright in a 'kaboom! your going to be surrounded by fire and brimstone forever' kind of way.
I think they will suffer in their next lives. Although, of course, you say you want to know what will most likely happen to these people, when you will never know that, you will only know what other people believe.

**Carolyn** · 11-08-2004 01:17 PM

Perception doesn't matter. They would've gone to Hell for other things they did. Murder is just one more sin on a long list. They never accepted God's forgiveness through Christ, so they'll never have the Heaven forgivness offers.

**Aphrodite5156** · 11-08-2004 01:25 PM

Well, if you want to get technical, they aren't really doing anything right... so yeah, of course they're wrong.

I mean, murder is a sin... and so is suicide, so they aren't really off to a good start.

Besides, I don't think it really matters to "God" either way. I mean, how do you see God denying people access into Heaven? Picture it... He is standing at the big pearly gates with a clip board and a big red marker. The kamikazis come floating up to him. He asks them their names, takes a look at the list and sighs while shaking his head, then he tells them, "Sorry, you can't come in" and crosses them off the list with the marker, damning them for all eternity to float around outside the gates, like people without tickets to a concert.

Somehow... I don't think so.

**messed** · 11-08-2004 02:05 PM

well then if it's just because they killed someone, what about the people who dropped the atomic bombs, do they go to a super hell thats extra hot.
and if you go to heaven, then surely you'll be good enough to forgive the person who killed you.

**Gone** · 11-08-2004 10:33 PM

alot of you are over looking one detail. they thought it was right. tehy saw no bad what so ever in doing this, at all.

picture this, if you were 110% sure that killing someone was right and you did it, was it wrong? im talkin about if you were 110% sure no doubt in your mind type of thinking

picture this, and actually think about it. if you went to an old folks home and helped out for a day then came home and someone said "oh that was a sin, that was a horrible thing you did", what would your reaction be? first you would say it was a extreamly good thing to do then you would try to justify your thinking. now, is there any doubt in your mind it was wrong? no. but was it wrong in the eyes of another person? yes.

all im getting to is this, what they did, they knew was extreamly fruitful and good. in our eyes it wasnt.

**Carolyn** · 11-09-2004 11:08 AM

Originally posted by _=-GoNe-=_@Nov 8 2004, 09:33 PM
alot of you are over looking one detail. they thought it was right. tehy saw no bad what so ever in doing this, at all.
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Ignorance does not allow you to break the law.

**phrogget** · 11-09-2004 11:10 AM

Originally posted by Carolyn+Nov 9 2004, 09:08 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Carolyn @ Nov 9 2004, 09:08 AM)</div>

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alot of you are over looking one detail. they thought it was right. tehy saw no bad what so ever in doing this, at all.
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I think he means spiritually wrong rather than legally.....

**Gone** · 11-09-2004 08:09 PM

Originally posted by Carolyn+Nov 9 2004, 09:08 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Carolyn @ Nov 9 2004, 09:08 AM)</div>

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alot of you are over looking one detail. they thought it was right. tehy saw no bad what so ever in doing this, at all.
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what do you think god will do to those kamakazie suacide bombers?[/b]

that was my original question, not if they would be persicuted by man.

**Carolyn** · 11-09-2004 11:51 PM

Originally posted by _=-GoNe-=_+Nov 9 2004, 07:09 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (_=-GoNe-=_ @ Nov 9 2004, 07:09 PM)</div>

Originally posted by Carolyn@Nov 9 2004, 09:08 AM
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@Nov 8 2004, 09:33 PM
alot of you are over looking one detail. they thought it was right. tehy saw no bad what so ever in doing this, at all.
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Ignorance does not allow you to break the law.
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what do you think god will do to those kamakazie suacide bombers?[/b]

that was my original question, not if they would be persicuted by man.
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I was using the law of the land to show the same principle. Ignorance of God's law does not take away the penalties if you break it.

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