Are Christians Ruining America?

**Trionix** · 11-09-2004 02:20 PM

America's got roots steeped in Puritanism, and it's only ickle to be fair, it's not overly surprising that Christianity plays such a part in peoples lives.

I totally agree with Spike, I think many Christians saw voting as a way to retain the moral values of America. The Americans here seem pretty much united in wanted America to stop interfering overseas, and start sorting out its internal problems. But like, when millions of people think that solving a problem internally is achieved by consulting the bible, anyone who steps outside of the lines (or is accused of it) is instantly discounted as a possible aid to their cause.

One of the key rules that I can see from the bible, is to spread the word. This is what the Christians ideally want to see happen, they're happy if people follow other religions, but if everyone switched to Christianity, that'd be fantastic. With reports coming in of the Christian Bush setting up democracies overseas, the more ignorant of them believe that the man is spreading the word of Christ to the 'untouchables' of this world.

Like, if you're an ignorant Christian, I'm sure that's all perfectly acceptable, after all, you're saving people from going to hell. If you're an outsider however, it's fucking terrifying.

**phrogget** · 11-09-2004 02:34 PM

Originally posted by spike@Nov 9 2004, 11:30 AM
Dude, the Soviet Union killed a lot more than Christians ever have. The Nazis killed a lot, too, as did Pol Pot in Cambodia, not to mention the Chinese. What's the unifying thread among these 4? Atheism.
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I can't tell if you're serious or not

But I know that hitler believed by killing Jews he was doing the lords work. Thats not very atheist.
I'll assume you're not serious.

**dragonknight** · 11-09-2004 02:38 PM

really and where did you read that Hitler killing jews was the lords work. Could you cite a history book that says that please.

**phrogget** · 11-09-2004 02:40 PM

Originally posted by dragonknight@Nov 9 2004, 12:38 PM
really and where did you read that Hitler killing jews was the lords work.* Could you cite a history book that says that please.
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I never said that is was the lords work, I said he believed he was doing the lords work, hence, he wasn't atheist.

**dragonknight** · 11-09-2004 02:50 PM

here you go chew on this for a while, if like me you read this you might think to yourself "What the hell was Hitler besides a maniac."

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mis...ca_hitler.html

**phrogget** · 11-09-2004 02:52 PM

Originally posted by dragonknight@Nov 9 2004, 12:50 PM
here you go chew on this for a while, if like me you read this you might think to yourself "What the hell was Hitler besides a maniac."

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mis...ca_hitler.html
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Did I say anything that wasn't true? What the fuck is your problem? The Al Quaeda also think they are doing the lords work. Noone is fucking saying hitler was a nice guy. Merely that he wasn't atheist.

**dragonknight** · 11-09-2004 02:54 PM

Did you even bother reading it? Chew on it means think about it.

**Trionix** · 11-09-2004 02:57 PM

Heh,

Originally posted by dragonknight@Nov 9 2004, 06:54 PM
SHUDDUP!! TAKE IT!!
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Fixed.

**phrogget** · 11-09-2004 03:05 PM

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In conclusion, I think that Hitler was not an atheist, but he was not a Christian either[/b]

DK, did I say otherwise?

**dragonknight** · 11-09-2004 03:10 PM

ummmmm.........maybe.

**spike** · 11-09-2004 04:41 PM

Meh, I hesistated bringing Hitler into it because I knew that was not as open and shut a case of atheism as the others. I believe he was an atheist, perhaps he did manipulate Christian sentiment to carry out his plans, which is probably still a small stain on Christianity, but I'm not sure I buy it. It wasn't like the Crusades, for instance, which were blatantly religious in nature. Hitler was trying to bring about atheist causes. Whatever, pretend I didn't mention Hitler, I don't want to get side-tracked.

Look at the big genocides, the big massacres, most of them are atheist in nature.

**Devious** · 11-09-2004 04:49 PM

For the record, all I've ever really known (practiced) in my own life is Christianity and it drives me BONKERS that Bush is so religious and pushes it on the country. The country was founded on the freedom of religion... which to me, is freedom of choice... and he tries to put laws through that are in corrolation to his personal beliefs.

Ya'll pardon me if I sound like I'm talking out of my ass a little... I kind of am. I'm still learning. I know Bush is religious, I know he uses it as a means to keep his power and I know he pushes it on the country. I hate that.

**rubytuesday** · 11-09-2004 06:24 PM

I don't think christianity is ruining America. Maybe religion but not christianity. But then I tend to separate the two, ironically enough.

Heh, if anything is ruining America it is the moral divide. The difference between humanist and biblical moralities.

We've got two opposite ends of the spectrum operating in this country with a pretty much 50/50 split. And it's being made worse by politics.

I am curious how this will play out in the upcoming years.

**Archer** · 11-09-2004 11:32 PM

Originally posted by SpikeyMikey+Nov 9 2004, 10:59 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SpikeyMikey @ Nov 9 2004, 10:59 AM)</div>

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This is a rather illogical agruement. You are attempting to make generalization about Christians as a whole. Would you consider it fair if I called a black men drug dealers? How about all Indians own hotels?
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Well, if black men and Indians had as violent and disgusting a history as Christians did, I would say that it'd be a very fair generalization.
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There is a long line of black people commiting most of the crime. Using your "logic", all blacks are criminals.

**phrogget** · 11-10-2004 04:12 AM

Originally posted by Archer+Nov 9 2004, 09:32 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Archer @ Nov 9 2004, 09:32 PM)</div>

Originally posted by SpikeyMikey@Nov 9 2004, 10:59 AM
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@Nov 9 2004, 01:18 AM
This is a rather illogical agruement. You are attempting to make generalization about Christians as a whole. Would you consider it fair if I called a black men drug dealers? How about all Indians own hotels?
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Well, if black men and Indians had as violent and disgusting a history as Christians did, I would say that it'd be a very fair generalization.
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There is a long line of black people commiting most of the crime.
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Most crime throughout history was committed by black people? Any stats or any kind of a source for that which doesn't come from a KKK website.

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