Are Christians Ruining America?

**youreontheedge** · 11-14-2004 01:43 AM

Originally posted by Devious@Nov 9 2004, 12:55 PM
People say "Christianity" like it's the only religion that anyone practices and does anything in the name of.
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all organized religions are stupid. they're a false sense of security and bad justifications for many people's actions. religion is really too integrated into the american government as it is...and yet some of the most powerful cabinet members are trying to implement even more christian ideals into governmental affairs. like, why do we all need to say "under god" in the pledge of allegiance? you can have allegiance to your country even if you don't beleive in god. i'm a perfect example.

**phrogget** · 11-14-2004 05:14 AM

Originally posted by Archer+Nov 12 2004, 05:40 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Archer @ Nov 12 2004, 05:40 PM)</div>

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All of the oppression and death that has been caused by the church though, it actually isn't a random thing. It's fact. Fair enough, that may be no reason to hate the church of today, but it's still fact.
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We dont know if they had the support of the average church-goer.
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Originally posted by phrogget@Nov 9 2004, 09:14 AM
No, it's not all christians, but it is the leaders of the christian church. The people in charge.
It's what they do that effects the world, and the country (despite the so-called seperation of church and state), and it is them that affect other peoples opinions of your religion, and the people who practice it.
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**«ÇhäötïÇ¤LüñätïÇ»** · 11-14-2004 06:41 AM

Christianity = Jewish brainwash. You do that math.

All religions = human mindgames.

Religions are just cults with more numbers.

I am my own God. Any god who preaches fear is not my god.

Live free, make up your own mind, dont let your mind be preconstructed by the swindlers of the past. Fuck religions and fuck the government.

Free to decide.

**SpikeyMikey** · 11-14-2004 01:55 PM

Originally posted by dragonknight@Nov 12 2004, 06:08 AM
It was white people who enslaved the Native Americans and the Africans....does that give them a good reason to hate white people?
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Actually DK, it was the Protestants that did most of the killing of the Native Americans. Men like Cotton Mather and Andrew Jackson, religious zealots that saw the indians as sub-human.

**Denbo** · 11-14-2004 02:54 PM

Chrisitans are not ruining America..... unless you count Bush...... *cough* but, I think that they are definatly ruining christianity. Fundamentalists, or even people that are activive christians destroy the allure of the religion to people that are not in that group. They probibly actually turn people off to their own religion. I know that I would like to be a part of one of those religous groups sometimes, but every time I see the other members that are already in that particular church or whatever, I get totally turned off. I want to believe in God, but I don't want to be those people.

(that probibly didn't make sense.... damn)

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**SpikeyMikey** · 11-14-2004 07:35 PM

Now Denbo, can you explain *why* you want to believe in Christianity?

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