Creationism

**Digity** · 06-26-2003 11:56 AM

Does anyone here who supports "Creationism" have an answer for the most obvious argument against it? If God exists and he created us in his image then who created God. If God always existed or something then why can't the same be said about us. I keep bringing up this point in other discussions but no one seems to be able to provide an answer. I don't see how someone can believe in the creationist theory without having an answer to this question.

**BrokenSound** · 06-26-2003 12:31 PM

Creationism is more of a belief rather then a theory I'd say.. b/c obviously unlike evolution theres not much we can prove or put our hands on saying that God created everything except for the Bible.. so with that being said I think its more or less faith on the part of the believer.. the Bible says in the beggining there was God.. it doesnt say anything about before that so I guess one just has to have faith that we were created by God.. Im not sayin I believe this.. all im saying is thats how I think you would have to approach it..

**dragonknight** · 06-26-2003 01:47 PM

I would like to see evidence that shows that evolution happened beyond a doubt Brokensound.

Well Dig I know a lot about God, and I know some about my faith and what I believe, but unfortunately I can't answer that question about God.

I would like to point something out. People have a hard time believing that God always was and always is. I would like to point something out about the laws of thermodynamics. It is stated that matter and energy cannot be created or destroyed. It can only transfer from one state to the other Right? That is the first law. So according to scientists our universe started with the big bang right? Okay if matter and energy cannot be created is it easier to believe that matter and energy always were? Do you see what I am getting at?
So going by what you say BS that science can explain everything where did that energy originate from? Or will you state that the energy for our universe always existed? If you state that why do you find it hard to believe then that there is God who has always existed?

I mean this is from the science you rely so heavily on to prove your evolution theory. So how about it?
(this is not an attack by any means so please don't take it as such.)

**BrokenSound** · 06-26-2003 02:08 PM

i didnt say it could be proved beyond a doubt.. however you cant argue that there is at least some evidence we can look at to base a decision rather then just what is written in a book

**dragonknight** · 06-26-2003 02:09 PM

Equally there is evidence out there that supports the Creation Theory as well. And it isn't just from some book.

**SworD** · 06-26-2003 02:52 PM

I'm kinda in the middle on this issue. Only question about evolution I have is, if it exsists then why haven't humans evolved into something?

**dragonknight** · 06-26-2003 02:55 PM

Well I know something about Darwinism and my understanding as to why evolution hasn't kicked in again is because we are now ignoring the survival of the fittest law. With modern medical science as it is we are able to save those people who would normally have died.

**saucy** · 06-26-2003 03:07 PM

Wow DK - great arguments!

My question is - why can't both sides be right? Why can't there be creationism and evolution? If evolution is true, then whatever we evolved from was created, no? According to creationism theory, Man was made in God's image, but who's to say what God's image is? Moreover, who's to say how long it took God to create man? Suppose "God's image" is the human form that we have today - perhaps evolution was part of God's process in creating man and it just took that long - what does God know of time?

**BrokenSound** · 06-26-2003 03:13 PM

im curious DK as to where this hard evidence is.. id be interested in researching it..

**Manders** · 06-26-2003 03:22 PM

I agree w/saucy in that they both sorta worked together to have things where they are today. Sure the bible said that the earth was created in 7 days, but who are we to say a day to us is the same as a day to God? As for the in His image thing, I think that is more on a spiritual level and not a physical one. Our free will and intellect and spirit are what was made from His image and not necessarily the physical body.

**Barn** · 06-26-2003 03:31 PM

Thing is - you can ridicule Creationism all you like - asking what's before God etc - but think of the alternative. What was before the Big Bang? What was before what was before the Big Bang? When you really think about it, Creationism doesn't sound so crazy after all.

I don't believe in any theory as yet.

**dragonknight** · 06-26-2003 03:46 PM

Here are some of the things I found. I am not saying they are hard evidence by any means but it does put things to the question and does throw support into the creation theory

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>

the energy sources that fuel the cosmos. Like all stars, the sun generates its energy by a nuclear process known as thermonuclear fusion. Every second that passes, the sun* compresses 564 million tons of hydrogen into 560 million tons of helium with 4 million tons of matter released as energy. In spite of that tremendous consumption of fuel, the sun has only used up 2% of the hydrogen it had the day it came into existence. This incredible furnace is not a process confined to the sun. Every star in the sky generates its energy in the same way. Throughout the cosmos there are 25 quintillion stars, each converting hydrogen into helium, thereby reducing the total amount of hydrogen in the cosmos. Just think about it! If everywhere in the cosmos hydrogen is being consumed and if the process has been going on forever, how much hydrogen should be left?[/b]

http://www.icr.org/bible/tracts/scientific...tevolution.html

here is an interesting site about creationism. Again I am not stating this to be fact or that it proves that evolution never happened. What I am trying to show is that there is substantial proof out there that evolution may not have happened.

Maverick · 06-26-2003 03:55 PM

There is a pretty big misconception out there about science PROVING religion wrong. That annoys me. Let's say scientists were able to prove evolution without a doubt. Ok, big deal. The Bible can be interpreted in millions of ways. Science does nothing but narrow down the way the Bible can be interpreted. It's like one of the most difficult concepts in math. The halves concept. Let's say a toad starts at one end of the pond and wants to get to the other end, but he can only do this in halves, so he jumps 1/2, 1/4, 1/8, 1/16 and so on but NEVER reaches the other side. Just like no matter how far we advance in science, we'll never fully be able prove the Bible wrong.

I believe that the Bible picked up when the first man and first woman evolved and grew a conscience.

**SworD** · 06-26-2003 04:04 PM

Yeah, I mean if everything came from something else it had to start somewhere didn't it. I mean the first thing had to always be there didn't it?

Maverick · 06-26-2003 04:11 PM

Warning: The following comment contains high levels of Sarcasm:

According to Tia, we can have chemicles and heat and lightning and there's life
Actually she even said it was done in a lab... So I mean it HAD to have just happened coincidentally...

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