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Reply With QuoteExactly. So many people forget that the universe doesn't need a 'why.'Originally Posted by Brewtality
It's not impossible to know 'how we were created' though is it? We know where human beings came from. We understand the ongoing process of evolution. We understand how the universe is expanding and therefore must have once occupied a single point (unless our universe was 'squeezed' through such a point from another dimension) so we know quite a bit about how we were created....just not why. Although the 'why' is quite irrelevent seeing as it is a distinctly human question. 'How' is simple because the answer is just a description of an event or process. 'Why' requires a motive which requires a consciousness and that's something we cannot speculate on without resorting to making things up.
The broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying. These people know only too well how to use falsehood for the basest purposes... Adolf Hitler
Exactly. So many people forget that the universe doesn't need a 'why.'
Of all the posts in the philosophy part of this forum, that was probably the most intelligent thing said yet. Your statement makes complete sense, but when i said we i meant the universe in general. Not just human beings. I believe in Darwin's Evolution Theory. That's where humans came from, and it has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that we evolved from other primates. We have the universe traced back scientifically to milliseconds before the big bang. Supposedly. =]
Some real food for thought here. I agree with so many points.
But What about Lateral design? It seems to me that linear trends of thought in percieving how the universe functions, are having a monopoly on us moderns, so much so that our scientifc world-view is often linear.
I think some scientists are guilty of having funnel vision when they exclusively follow their singular thread of science, and lose sight of the woveness of the whole. Dawkins, for example, reduces the driving force behind reality to selfish genes. But for me, this is only one working model and perspective.
I grasp linear design when I engage in Darwins theory of evolution via natural selection. But I grasp lateral design when I comprehend the atmosphere of Earth, frozen for a moment in time, with vertical design, as we know it today, conducive of the various forms of life which coexist and live in a harmony / forms of life with multi-purposes serving a greater equilibrium. It takes a human in the sensual world which only us humans live in, to really engage the whole scene, and let it form an overwhelming impression on us. A sun-lit garden, the flight of the honey bee pollenating the flower, the scent of the flowers, the taste of the honey, the whole mental comprehension of the whole symphony of interwoveness to the faculty of the mind, designed specifically for the given thought.
I know why Kant felt there must be a bening creator behind the world.
There has to be a creator of all this. Darwins theory is just inconsistent. For example, people in China risk their lives to worship God everyday in house churches. The government there doesn’t want them to know the truth. Why? Because they know that there is a God. JEDP is all lies also. There’s no archeological evidence for all of sciences theories. The Bible has many archeological findings that concur with the writings of the Bible. I wouldn’t put my faith in science but only on Jesus Christ.
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Er, that's anti-logic right there. Yet you're trying to use something which has absolutely no bearing on natural selection and evolutionary biology as an example of one of the flaws in the theory of evolution? FAIL.
The whole post is one big lump of fail in fact.
The broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying. These people know only too well how to use falsehood for the basest purposes... Adolf Hitler
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