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  1. 04-08-2010 01:12 AM #46
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    Richard Dawkins on Pope Benedict XVI and child abuse in the Catholic Church | Godless Girl

    There's no point pussy-footing around corrupt institutions, I don't care how elitist/pretentious/condescending he comes off as, he's unapologetic about calling it like it is and I love him for it.
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    He's a fucking disgrace that Ratzinger.

    What he highlights for me is the astonishing level of self-imposed ignorance that millions of Catholics need in order to still believe that this guy is God's representative on the Earth. Would God have said that it's cool to let his priests rape kids because that's better than having people find out that they're raping them and putting a stop to it? I don't know if him being there is going to do anything to help bring down the Catholic Church because a) plenty of Catholics wno't even hear about this and b) there's the standard, built-in escape clause which says 'God's church is perfect but man is weak and flawed'.
    The broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying. These people know only too well how to use falsehood for the basest purposes... Adolf Hitler
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    So Dawkins and Hitchens are going to try to arrest him when he comes to England. F'in A.

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    I'd love to see that!

    It's like the Godfather though. The don of the world's largest paedophile ring is well protected!
    The broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying. These people know only too well how to use falsehood for the basest purposes... Adolf Hitler
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    Nah, Tri, whenever something on Reddit (just assuming you got it from there, if not oh well) is so sensationalized as that- typically wait a few days and something else will come out correcting it.

    Needless to say, I did NOT say "I will arrest Pope Benedict XVI" or anything so personally grandiloquent. You have to remember that The Sunday Times is a Murdoch newspaper, and that all newspapers follow the odd custom of entrusting headlines to a sub-editor, not the author of the article itself.

    What I DID say to Marc Horne when he telephoned me out of the blue, and I repeat it here, is that I am whole-heartedly behind the initiative by Geoffrey Robertson and Mark Stephens to mount a legal challenge to the Pope's proposed visit to Britain. Beyond that, I declined to comment to Marc Horme, other than to refer him to my 'Ratzinger is the Perfect Pope' article here: 'Ratzinger is the Perfect Pope' by Richard Dawkins - The Washington Post - RichardDawkins.net

    Here is what really happened. Christopher Hitchens first proposed the legal challenge idea to me on March 14th. I responded enthusiastically, and suggested the name of a high profile human rights lawyer whom I know. I had lost her address, however, and set about tracking her down. Meanwhile, Christopher made the brilliant suggestion of Geoffrey Robertson. He approached him, and Mr Robertson's subsequent 'Put the Pope in the Dock' article in The Guardian shows him to be ideal:
    'Put the pope in the dock' by Geoffrey Robertson - guardian.co.uk - RichardDawkins.net
    The case is obviously in good hands, with him and Mark Stephens. I am especially intrigued by the proposed challenge to the legality of the Vatican as a sovereign state whose head can claim diplomatic immunity.

    Even if the Pope doesn't end up in the dock, and even if the Vatican doesn't cancel the visit, I am optimistic that we shall raise public consciousness to the point where the British government will find it very awkward indeed to go ahead with the Pope's visit, let alone pay for it.

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    Nah, I saw it first in The Times, then The Telegraph, and then The Guardian. The implication of the Times' headline is wrong, but the message is still the same: Dawkins and Hitchens are organising the Pope's arrest when he comes to England.

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    what has he done to get arrested in England?
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    They're going for 'crimes against humanity' for allowing and indeed tacitly encouraging paedohiles to abuse kids.
    The broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying. These people know only too well how to use falsehood for the basest purposes... Adolf Hitler
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