Thread: Meditation, my views on it

i know how you feel... but i learned how to meditate to avoid some medical problems because i was always stressed out and i dident need any more bills.. it alows me shut out all my worries and alow me to get to know "ME" and it alows my body to relax and recuperate

I totally disagree. Your inner is a total reflection of what's going on outside of you. The inner dialogue of an Eskimo is probably different then the inner dialogue of an African. Why? Because that inner dialogue is totally influenced by what's going on around them. Everything about you is influenced by the things around you. You have no friggin' way of separating yourself from the shit that goes on. It's impossible not to be influenced by it. End of story. No part of you exists that has not been influenced in some way or another by society or the environment you live in.

If all you're doing with meditation is trying to block something out then it's useless, because as soon as you stop meditating the flood gates open. Meditation will tell you what your inner self wants? Everything you want is totally reflected by society. Society tells you what you want. Nice car, family, the rest. All your desires are a reflection of the society you live in. I'm positive that any inner dialogue you have discussing "what you want" has been heavely influenced by what society tells you.

While I agree with Digity (wow, that actually happened?) that your inner and outer can't be separated, I don't conclude that it is all based on society's views. As a Christian, what you would call my "inner" beliefs are based on doctrine, rather than society. I'm sure the same thing goes for other religions. Then there are people who just don't agree with society without having any religious convictions.

Agape,
Carolyn

Okay, I over used "society" as an example, but I meant other things like doctrine...heck, everything for that matter. Even disagreeing with society is still an influence. It's just the flip side of a certain influence...but it's still an influence.

i'm with you epoch..

if you don't take time out to relax and listen to your body and what you want you will just be living a life of reaction, not creation..

DING DING DING! Oklahoma hit it right on the money!

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What you just described is 100% outer, you are mislabelling it as inner. Get to know yourself better and you might understand what epoch and oklahoma are talking about.[/b]

All I&#39;m saying is that there&#39;s no part of you untouched by influence. It seems like we all agree on what we are talking about when we mention this supposed "outer" self. However, I&#39;m saying that I totally disagree that there&#39;s this inner part, which is totally untouched. Humans are constantly reacting to the things that happen around them. Our senses, nervous system, thoughts...all this is conditioned by what&#39;s going on around us. It&#39;s impossible to escape that, because you can&#39;t remove yourself from this world. You and the world are basically one in the same. When you look at a flower you might think it&#39;s pretty or whatever, but you&#39;re merely projecting something which you call "beauty" out into the world. Inevitably, everything you do is subjective and under the influence of how you perceive the world. That&#39;s inescapable, but you&#39;re telling me that there is this inner part, which is totally free of outside influences. I don&#39;t see it...and that&#39;s after a lot of self-examination.

Originally posted by oklahoma@Apr 21 2004, 07:29 AM
i&#39;m with you epoch..

if you don&#39;t take time out to relax and listen to your body and what you want you will just be living a life of reaction, not creation..

What does that even mean? Isn&#39;t everything you do a reaction? Even sitting down to meditate is a reaction.

Creation? What are you talking about here?

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