Yes, you may very well be correct, Trionix. Some may call it ignorence, denial, or a rabid attitude. It is all in the mouth (brain) Of the beholder. There is something besides hot air and organs, that make up, in part of who we are. It is true that some people exhist, on the flip side, I would say most live.
One last thought, pseudo. Actually, it is more of a question, if I may. is what you are seeking, hmmm how do I say it without sounding like a real jerk. Is what you are seeking a means of replacing what you feel you lost. Are you feeling less of a person for loosing your faith and not being able to relace it? If I am on your toes, pseudo, by all means tell me to back off.
Well, I no longer consider myself to be "seeking" all that much. I like to think about my existence but it's more philosophical than spiritual at this point. Maybe I came off differently than I meant. Also, as far as checking out other religions, native american - check, buddhism-check, etc-check.After I decided I wasn't going to find anything there either because all of them make assumptions I realized I don't really have reason to believe in a soul or spiritual purpose because they are an assumption also, the one that was hardest for me to let go. I don't believe there is a specific thing for me to do to that "the universe" would instruct me and I will have to find my own "meaning". I do find it annoying, all that time I have been trying to "be spiritual" and find something that makes sense and fulfills me, I could've been, i dunno, taking science classes. Also, if I get moody I become sort of a nihilist. I think this maybe would not be if I had been raised and lived my life without the assumptions religions and spirituality had enforced... I would be better equipped for reality. So, yes, I think I was filling in the hole religion left (or explaining away the assumptions I still held onto) with spirituality. And now I've let that go because I feel it's a waste of my time worrying about ideas that might just be wishful thinking.
Indeed, I think I've come the down the same road, and bizarrely, it was you who initially turned me on to spirituality, however many years ago.So, yes, I think I was filling in the hole religion left (or explaining away the assumptions I still held onto) with spirituality. And now I've let that go because I feel it's a waste of my time worrying about ideas that might just be wishful thinking.
Narrowrule, I agree to some extent that it could be considered to be in the eye of the beholder, like art for example, if you think something's beautiful, who is anyone else to tell you any different?
But then when it comes to something which is claiming to offer facts (which art in general does not), I think it's best to stick with the people who are constantly striving for truth, rather than those who settled on something thousands of years ago. I don't think that someone who says "2+2=5" has much to offer the field of mathematics, by all means I'll listen to their points, but if their main justification is that they "feel" it, or that there's some incredibly loose relativistic theory that might back up the point they're trying to believe in, then I obviously can't relate to their point, because I'm not living in their heads, and I'm not partial to the influences they're partial to.
Kudos for you, pseudo! I see that you have a good mind and the ability to reason with yourself....in the positive for sure. I appreciate your honesty and respect your integrity of self. Thank you.
Trionix, you are so right on. "Striving for the truth,"......I believe that your thinking is not unlike mine. it is my contention that to stop growing and to stop learning is a slow death. Sure we can listen to many things, and the ability to filter and use what is productive to one's self, is an important life growth process. I call it gleaning.
Hmmm, I wonder if I should apologize. At least maybe you figured it out sooner than I did. I picked it up because at the time I guess it made me happier, and I dropped it after it was no longer enough.Quote:
So, yes, I think I was filling in the hole religion left (or explaining away the assumptions I still held onto) with spirituality. And now I've let that go because I feel it's a waste of my time worrying about ideas that might just be wishful thinking.
Indeed, I think I've come the down the same road, and bizarrely, it was you who initially turned me on to spirituality, however many years ago.
Thanks narrowrule, I appreciate that we could discuss and not debate. I hope you stick around s-b.
Your words are very kind, as are you, pseudo. We discuss well, don't we!! Thank you!!
My psychology professor brought up an interesting point regarding religious belief last semester.
He had talked about studies done when splitting “belief” into two categories:
- Spirituality
- Religion (rules)
Curiously enough, most people didn’t have an issue with other people living according to their own spirituality and finding their own enlightenment in whatever they may any more than they cared what movies they watched on weekends.
People holding to simple spiritual beliefs live more peaceful lives with less stress, worries and anger.
This is most apparent in cultures that are very close to nature and the spirituality they find within.
However, all types of brainwaves spiked when the subject of religious ‘right’ and ‘wrong’ were mentioned.
People got defensive, bitter, and hostile.
This causes huge cultural issues, especially with Christianity, Mormonism and other religious that call for its members to ‘spread the message’, and even more so depending on the method used.
Those doomsayers on street corners with bullhorns and flyers come to mind...
Making people feel like if God does exist, he’s up in the clouds watching your every move comparing it to an impossible level of holiness and wielding a lightning bolt ready to strike you down with a speeding ticket, layoff, broken household appliance bill, or pregnant teenage daughter.
Similarly, when shown the word ‘God’, people had the same reaction to it as the rule words such as ‘fasting’, ‘sin’, ‘Hell’ and ‘celibacy’. (almost no one was OK with that one)
Its something I already knew about, but it’s a whole lot different when you see the tests with brainwave activity being agitated so much just by showing someone a flash card.
"Shit happens. Character is how you react to it."
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