My first instinct is also that it's probably a very risky idea, but from the info you've given I can't really say if it's actually a bad idea. I don't know how mature they are or how real Marie's 'jealousy' is so it's hard to comment concretely.
(Christmas week is a little hectic for most, so I expect this thread to progress slowly)
So my best [female] friend, lets call her Ashley, is this girl I've known for over a year now.
We have a lot in common; movies, music, humor and can talk and laugh for hours on end.
Everyone who saw us hanging out assumed we were dating, and people who knew us both told me last year I should have dumped my ex for her.
We had a talk like 9 months ago verifying we have no feelings for each other.
The thought of even kissing Ashley freaks me out.
We're really good friends with dozens of mutual friends, and are both night owls.
Once a week, all of us (like 20-40) hang out at our spot until they close at 11pm.
Ashley and I are usually there talking long after everyone else leaves, sometimes until 3 or 4am.
Now my girlfriend, lets call her Marie, moved to AZ last Feb and started hanging out with us last May.
The two of us didnt start talking until last August, and were dating this past September.
That relationship is part of the reason I havent been online much. (Interesting how I'm not on here every few weeks complaining when things are going well with a girlfriend, heh)
Last summer I was mostly hanging out with Ashley and most of my other guy friends.
Marie was hanging out with Ashley and my sister, along with the other girls in our circle of friends.
All of this was in place before I ever started dating Marie: both Ashley and my sister were friends with Marie, I was friends with Ashley.
And... my sister has always been my sister. I guess, if you didnt know, my sister is my roommate.
Also, Marie has a strict sleep schedule; she's always asleep by 11pm at the latest, while Ashley and I are both night owls.
Now not too long into dating Marie, she started asking me things about Ashley.
Do I like spending time with her more than Ashley?
Am I sure I dont have any suppressed feelings for Ashley, etc...
Now Marie and I spent weeks talking about stuff before we rushed into dating. Openness and honesty was something we decided to never compromise on.
I told her Ashley and I had talked months before I met Marie saying we didnt have feelings for each other, and that we didnt like people assuming we liked each other.
I told her I had known Ashley for a while before I met Marie and that I chose her over Ashley for a reason.
She said she trusts me when I say that.
I spend most of my free time with Marie but she works Monday mornings but I dont, and Ashley only works nights.
So Sunday nights Ashley and I usually hang out until the bar kicks us out because Marie will be asleep anyway.
Marie says she's fine with it. That she knows we were just friends before and that I chose her over Ashley for a reason.
She knows it in her head, but no so much in her heart I think.
I'm always open and honest with her, Marie knows when we're hanging out and what we're doing, but I'm not about to shut out one of my best friends due to a girlfriend's insecurities.
So Ashley notices this and backs off for a few weeks.
The next time we talk, she mentions that Marie has been a little distant towards her and thinks it's due to jealousy.
I talk to Marie about it and she says it still makes her a little uncomfortable, but that she trusts us both doesnt want to come in between a friendship.
She also doesn't want it to come between her friendship with Ashley either.
So a few more weeks go by with Marie and Ashley talking more and more, and here we are in mid-December.
Marie is planning on buying a new car and is now looking for a roommate for her 2 bedroom condo.
Ashley is 22 and still living at home.
Marie told me that Ashley is planning on moving in with her.
So I dont know, I see disaster written all over this.
I imagine Ashley might feel like a 3rd wheel in her own home, or Marie might think I'm hitting on some other girl in her own home.
Nothing will be good if we break up either.
Then again, I dont know what I can do.
Though Ashley and I were friends first, she was friends with Marie before I ever knew who Marie was.
I dont seem to have much say in how they govern their friendship.
Plus this whole roommate thing was their idea, I never even suggested it.
Maybe I should be glad that Marie is OK with it?
My sister is also friends with them both and seems to think its fine.
I dont know.
Part of me also thinks Marie might be doing this on purpose to keep us together since breaking up with her would cause a lot more social collateral damage.
And of course, I seem to find myself in uncharted social territory once again since none of my friends seem to have had any similar experiences.
What do you guys think?
[edit: changed March to May as a correction.]
Last edited by Esternogligen; 01-06-2010 at 03:12 PM.
"Shit happens. Character is how you react to it."
My first instinct is also that it's probably a very risky idea, but from the info you've given I can't really say if it's actually a bad idea. I don't know how mature they are or how real Marie's 'jealousy' is so it's hard to comment concretely.
Marie is really mature.
She's 23, strong discipline and morals.
Lives in AZ separate from her family.
Graduate from Indiana with a double major in Math and Accounting.
Owns her own condo and is about to close on a Toyota Corolla after forcing a sale for invoice.
She does have her insecurities though, but it might only seem moreso to me than other girls because she's so open with me about stuff like that.
Ashley, less so.
22, youngest of 3 by 8 years, still at home and in school.
Not very good with finances and budgeting, not very disciplined.
If anything, I see Marie getting annoyed with Ashley and kicking her out.
"Shit happens. Character is how you react to it."
It's a disaster if you have an acrimonious breakup, but otherwise shouldn't be a big deal.
I don't see anything good coming from this. Personal opinion: You shouldn't be hanging out as close as you seem to be with the other chick. That seems like nothing but disaster coming.
Think about it: Would you REALLY be cool with your gf hanging out with another guy friend that closely? At first you might be, but 10 to 1 odds gets you in a few weeks, thoughts would be flitting thru your head and you'll be wondering what they are doing together so much. And now the gf and the "other friend" are gonna be roomies?? That would weird me the phuck out!
As to how to proceed with this, I don't have a clue. But I'll make popcorn and settle in to watch! Good luck man!!
Tequesian
savmotronPeople do what they do. I mitigate their hazard to me and move on.
stuff is just stuff. your emotional health is much more important. holding raging anger in is more harmful than your faggot-assed tv that probably deserves to get its ass beat anyway.
I think it's really lame when people aren't cool with their partners having really close friends of the opposite sex, especially ones that predate them. At least half my good friends are girls, it's not like I'd even consider for one second not hanging out with them because someone was insecure. Either you trust your partner or you don't.
which is why i choose to not have girls for best friends, yeah it will be mega awkward if you guys do break up it will leave your best friend smack dab in the midst of awkwardness.. no beuno hombre
When it comes to pink butterflies i could give a flying fuck.
Tequesian
savmotronPeople do what they do. I mitigate their hazard to me and move on.
stuff is just stuff. your emotional health is much more important. holding raging anger in is more harmful than your faggot-assed tv that probably deserves to get its ass beat anyway.
Sorry, but that's bullshit. Consider the logical extensions of that position.
See, I'd agree if I wasnt friends with Ashley first. By like a whole year.
I've met girls after we started dating and I dont in any way let them get close.
There are quite a few 18 and 19 year old flirts in our large circle that really like playing with dreadlocks and what not, one of them has a paticularly sexy little body I might add.
Marie expresses her concerns and how she feels about what she observes and so I keep my distance from them.
Out of respect, because I have no stake in these other little flirts.
But it's different with Ashley.
I dont find her attractive and I do have stake in her; one of my best and most fruitful friendships.
I wouldnt be jealous either if the tables were turned.
My last two exes had guy friends they knew before me, and it didnt make any sense for them to like their friend for so long yet wait and then be with me instead.
Hell, the situation with my last idiot ex was probly worse.
She actually moved in with her best guy friend.
I wasnt jealous because he was a fucktard and in my mind there was no logical way she'd ever go for him over me.
I mean... it's me.
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Another reason I think insecurity plays a role as well as trust.
"Shit happens. Character is how you react to it."
Tequesian
savmotronPeople do what they do. I mitigate their hazard to me and move on.
stuff is just stuff. your emotional health is much more important. holding raging anger in is more harmful than your faggot-assed tv that probably deserves to get its ass beat anyway.
I find it interesting that you say you 'chose' your girlfriend over your friend. Because that's kinda saying that your friend was an option.
When i was younger i would have said that it was quite possible to have opposite sex friends while in a committed relationship, but i'd have to agree with Like now. My husband isn't a jealous type at all, but I don't let myself get too close in my friendships with other guys. I don't share as much information, i don't spend too much time with them, unless its in a group setting. I mostly do it because i am the jealous type, and i wouldn't want him doing it to me, and he doesn't, so i return that favour.
True beauty is an exchange, not an observation. - Lucid Rog
Alright, seeing as you won't consider it, I'll do it for you.
Any situation that's going to cast doubts on their fidelity? Who gets to define that? If someone is massively insecure they might view even talking to another person or the very existence of opposite sex friends to be grounds for suspicion. What's the threshold? At what point does it become OK and who says so? I'm not even remotely willing to be held hostage to a standard that can have such whimsical interpretations.
My friends are my friends and many of them are very important to me. Many of those happen to be girls. You're crazy if you think I would, or that I should, even consider for one second jeapordising a close, or even trivial, friendship with them for some outdated value that acts to protect the egos of insecure people.
This is getting on topic with an older thread of mine:Warranted Jealousy?
"Shit happens. Character is how you react to it."
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