Thread: Racial???

Originally Posted by Chandra

You totally contridicted yourself.. you said 1. that I had no clue what I posted or what it was about (which I'lll agree was ignorant in a sense) and then said I was prejudice for posting somethign I had no clue what it was. I can't believe you people are so judgmental.. but then again this is s-b.

You're prejudice and racist because you're uneducated. Ironically, you don't realize that racism stems from ignorance therefore you defend yourself to the end because you're too "proud" to admit that you're warping information and adding your own facts. I have no sympathy for you "not knowing" that you were linking us to racist websites. You can't just spout shit and then back it up with false and racist information and then tell us we have no right to attack your opinion. In fact, where do you get off defending yourself on linking us to these websites and then acting like it's no big deal you were just trying to find something to agree with you. Congratulations, racists think the same way you do.

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Originally Posted by Chandra

You nor GUETTO_Onion were able to answer the main question I asked as to what did "I" ever say that stated I was racist. You both continue to grasp onto the articles I so ignorantly posted before researching and you two have no other point but to argue. But for the pure fact that you refer to me as idiot for my opinion I could now careless about your judgemental rude responses. I have never been rude to either of you and respect you for your opinion that black people should be held superior to white people because of slavery because you have the right to your opinion... I just happen to disagree. I only wanted to state my opinion of this news article..

I don't have to point out your racism. You do it to yourself.

Chandra, I don't think anybody here has denied that white people have been forced into servitude in the past. However, what you don't seem to be able to comprehend is that that's different to the the slavery that fuelled the international slave trade. It's not even a particularly hard concept to grasp.

Africans were taken to the Americas (both North and South) to work as slaves. Many of them died during transit because of the appalling conditions they were kept in. They were subjected to inhumane treatment, regular beatings, branding, routine humiliation and they were often punished for misdemeanours with brutal punishments and even death. Then, once slavery was outlawed, most of the slaves stayed where they were and were still essentially slaves because they had nowhere else to go because whilst the law had changed, people's attitudes hadn't. They didn't just wake up one day into a world of freedom where they could go and get a job. The situation stayed the same for years and black people were still officially second-class citizens who didn't have the vote or the same rights as white people. Now it's only since the 1960s that black people have had equal rights in the USA yet prejudice still remains. So I ask you - is that what hapenned to white people in America? Is it the same thing? You may say yes, but in that case you would be showing stupidity.

Let me put this another way. I hate you because you have brown hair. Because you have brown hair, I beat you up every day. You hate me because I beat you up every day. One day I say I'm not going to beat you up any more. So everything's fine now eh? We're even?

I actually agreed with you that it is ridiculous that this cheerleader is being punished for dressing up as Lil' Wayne. But you seem to see this as some kind of Black vs. White thing when it's not at all. This is how stupid prejudices get spread. You simply don't think about the issues at all. You just look at the story with dead eyes and a slack-jaw and say 'Black people are trying to punish white people now!' when it is of course nothing of the sort.

As for your comments about ghettos, that just shows more lack of though or just plain ignorance of the subject. Do you know what a ghetto is? The first ghetto in Europe was in Venice and was the place where Jews were put so they wouldn't be living in with everyone else. The Jews were only there because of the ban against money-lending amongst the Catholics in Venice. The Warsaw ghetto was a place Jews were put in Poland's capital so they could be kept in one place away from everyone else (and it made it easier to kill them when they were rounded up). The black ghettos are the same. Do you think that any black people saw a ghetto/project and though "Oh, lovely, I'll live here". No. People lived in them and continue to live in them because they had/have nowhere else to go. Contrary to what you might have been told, it's not easier for a black guy in a ghetto to go to university than it is for a white person. Do you think the schools in poor black areas are good? Of course they're not.

But then you go off on one about how today white people are essentially working as slaves for black people because tax money goes to welfare. ABSOLUTELY PATHETIC. Over half of your taxes go to the military and you're bothered because some of it goes to welfare???? What you don't understand is that because of the social history of the USA, many of the lowest class people in the USA are black.

Your opinions may be based on your personal experiences, but you are the one who interprets those experiences and you seem to have done so with a very clear lack of intelligence.

I don't even know why I bothered writing all of this.

I don't neccessarily see racism, just prejudice based upon idiocy.

Originally Posted by Chandra

I have never once in my posts said negative words against the black races as a race...

This is not even remotely true.

Originally Posted by Chandra

such as you Aimee to bring it to my parenting skills which have nothing to do with this topic.

I disagree. I think it has EVERYTHING to do with this topic. Most likely, your parents have the same racist viewpoints as you. I would hope that you would want to break the cycle with your daughter. Just something to think about.

Part of the problem with any discussion about race in America is the history of race in America. It's a hot button issue. People are sensitive about it. Not without merit either. Black people got shafted and white people of today feel that they should carry the burdens of their ancestors. It's not an easy situation.

Black and white people still carry the legacy of racism today. Black people have a legacy of poverty, disrupted families and general social inequality. White people deal with the guilt and the accompanying defensiveness of being held responsible for something they weren't even around to witness or take part in.

One thing that I find interesting as a person that was raised in a state that never knew black slavery to living in a state and region that had slavery is the difference in the story of black people. Just a minor example, in Portland most people that work at fast food restaurants are teenagers - of all colors. The overwhelming vast majority of people that work in fast food restaurants down here are black. Another example is that it seems that black people are generally angrier down here in the south than up in the pacific northwest.

There's a lot of race issues that should be discussed, and indeed need to be discussed. Thing is, it's hard to stand back and be respectful of the other side's perspective when we're so wound up in our own.

Chandra, I won't say you are racist. I don't even really know if you are prejudiced. But I do believe you are misinformed. But so are a lot of people. In the age of PC, oversensitivity is not the same thing as awareness.

Come on chaps, there's no need to make things personal.

I haven't seen Chandra directly insult anyone, in fact I think she's passed on an opinion which has been formed by what she's heard from her surroundings, she didn't research it fully, and when told that she absolutely must or else what she's said means less than a pile of steaming dogshit, she tried to in the heat of the moment, without being thorough, and she pulled out a fail.

The way to change someone's mind is not to pretend they're saying things they haven't, or stick them on a fucking pedastal of idiocy, or question their parenting skills.

Just calm down. You all should know better than this.

And Chandra, if you can wade through the inappropriate insults that have been thrown at you, there is some good, worthwhile information here that you should check out. I agree with you in some of your thoughts on positive discrimination, I think it's a very dodgy area that can go both ways, and there are many people out there who can describe it far better than the people you unfortunately used as an example. You maybe should have a bit more of a look around for information.

Originally Posted by Trionix

Come on chaps, there's no need to make things personal.

I haven't seen Chandra directly insult anyone, in fact I think she's passed on an opinion which has been formed by what she's heard from her surroundings, she didn't research it fully, and when told that she absolutely must or else what she's said means less than a pile of steaming dogshit, she tried to in the heat of the moment, without being thorough, and she pulled out a fail.

The way to change someone's mind is not to pretend they're saying things they haven't, or stick them on a fucking pedastal of idiocy, or question their parenting skills.

Just calm down. You all should know better than this.

And Chandra, if you can wade through the inappropriate insults that have been thrown at you, there is some good, worthwhile information here that you should check out. I agree with you in some of your thoughts on positive discrimination, I think it's a very dodgy area that can go both ways, and there are many people out there who can describe it far better than the people you unfortunately used as an example. You maybe should have a bit more of a look around for information.

Well said. The personal attacks that developed as the conversation progressed were way out of line. I may not agree with everything Chandra put forth in the later posts but I certainly understand where they are coming from. It's a hot button topic to be sure and a great one to have started. The pendulum swings so far that the palpable anger felt by those on the wrong side of that swing surely must be acknowledged.

There are clearly those who comment based on a more detailed understanding of the issues but resorting to insults based on your supposedly superior knowledge tends to reduce your argument to noise. Take the opportunity to enlighten instead.

SB should not be a place where folks are afraid to post and the insults are not welcome.

I'm sorry but what the fuck? Did we read the same topic? My "argument noise" might be reduced by my calling her an idiot but the fact stands. I find racists idiotic. I find people who are as prejudice stupid.

She might not have fully researched the statements she made but she repeated them enough times for me to believe that she does buy it. Its not my fault that she is ignorant and i have no problem pointing out where i think her ideas are wrong. I think people were respectful until they realized that she was getting more repetitive. She made this topic about race and enlightened us with her prejudice views in almost ALL her posts and went as far to quote neo-nazi websites. So why can't she be called out on it.

I don't think any of the insults other than the ones about her parenting were out of line. If you can calmly state half the stuff she said then you should also be able to take the arguments that arise as a result.

Also insults aren't welcome? How about neo nazi propaganda. That's usually more socially unacceptable.

True, quick question here. Do you think that belittling and insulting her is going to a) send her further down the rabbit hole of ignorance, or b) make her happily change her mind?

In fact, what do you even want to achieve here? To oppress or to enlighten?

And there's nothing nazi about civility, don't be ridiculous for the sake of it.

I don't think it's particularly insulting to inform someone that their views are based on a complete lack of thought.

It's not at all, but that's not what's happened.

Dude, have you actually read what's been said here, word for word?