Fruity

we've just recently had a similar drama in Australia.

Isn't there a movie about black guys dressing as white chicks? I remember a friend of mine forcing me to watch it because he thought it was hilarious.

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Chandra

Yea there is... I've seen it! But nothing was evvver said about that! Go figure!

Brewtality

Guys, we all should know by now that blacking up isn't the same as a black person putting white make-up on. Sure, it's the same cosmetic change but you're kind of ignoring all of that history there aren't you? Y'know, where white guys would go on TV with black make-up on and everyone could have a good ol' laugh at dem der ******s. So nah, it's not the same thing.

That said, who the fuck cares if a college girl gets dressed up as a black person and puts on some make-up? I can't think of any black people who would even be offended by that. Why make any sort of issue about it? Looks like some desperate blogging right there. Absolutely pathetic.

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OFFENDING BLACK PEOPLE AND EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THE NEWS MEDIA. DON'T MISTAKE NEWS COVERAGE FOR PEOPLE IN THE STREET ACTUALLY GIVING A SHIT.

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The Viking

Damnit, Brew, I was going to write that.

If black people can put whiteface on and make fun of white people, then white people should be able to put blackface on. Racial fucking equality, huzzah!

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I saw a guy this year doing black-face Mr. T, and it was alright with his black friends. It's a little scandalous but if we're talking about just blacking out your face and dressing as a famous black person without giving it a negative twist, no big deal.

Robert Downey Jr. did that black character in Tropic Thunder (though some say he might have "deserved" an oscar (he was nominated) but guess that you can't get one if you're playing a mentally retarded or black person.

Agreed, it's all media turning it into a big thing that I don't think it should be.

Fruity

Last week on John Saffran's Race Relations, he did the Black Like Me thing, to experience what it was like to be a black man, and he hung out with some black gangs, and went to a black church and preached.
YouTube - John Safran's Race Relations Ep 2 preview

Is it wrong that i found it funny?
I'm surprised that after the hey hey its saturday debacle that it didn't get more talk about it.

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Brewtality

Well, I don't quite agree. Black people dressing up as white people in a film isn't offensive to white people because white people were never made second-class citizens after years of slavery and never had to endure the years of mocking and ridicule in the street and in the media. People only had blackface because a) They wanted to take the piss out of black people and b) they didn't want no fuckin ******s on the stage.

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Chandra

Oh please... I understand for those years of slavery they had a hard time.. but they've well gotten their revenge on whites. Do you think if you walked down the street in the projects or the guetto or just around a group of african americans you wouldn't get mocked or ridiculed now days? I'm thinking mocked or ridiculed is the least that you'd get. And blacks aren't the only ones who have been made slaves... For many of years whites had been slaves also... My great grandmother and family were sold as slaves to the Cox family from north Louisiana when she was a child along with her mom and grandmother and ect. She used to sit around during holidays and tell us all the stories of her childhood as a slave unti she married out of it. Whites were slaves too, but do you think that we got/get any compesasion or have gained any kinds of special racial privledges?

And I think the most annoy thing about the whole holier than thou because YEARS AGO there were slaves... the people who are benifiting from that day and age WERE NEVER SLAVES!! THEY'RE ANCESTORS WERE! I understand giving some leeway to the ones who actually lived as slaves.. but I find it HIGHLY unfair that this girl is losing everything she worked for because she imitated Lil' Wayne who's grandmothers great grandfathers second generation's grandfather was a slave!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The flat out point is whites have it just as bad now days competing with racial issues! The whole Racial card has been used wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy over board!!!!!!! And what's happening to this girl is a perfect example of it.. its pathetic... as is the sterotype of slavery vs. current situations. And I am in no way prejudice.. I can't stand to see white people be accused as raciast for something that its perfectly ok for a black to do and get away with...

Brewtality

Chandra....please...

I don't think vengeance has really been on the cards, do you? 'Revenge' would be something like taking control of the government and then treating white people like property and then second-class humans.

Erm....like the same projects and ghettos that have been put there to basically keep black people away from everyone else? Now, back in England I live in a black neighbourhood but y'know, I don't get any shit off anybody. But honestly, no I don't think you would. You might get it for being white and middle class though.

Well, if you've not gotten confused about the difference between slavery and working for very little then it's interesting that a large family like that would a) buy any slaves at all since unless your great-grandmother was 150 years old, they would have been doing so illegally and b) would have 'bought' white slaves. There aren't many reports of white slavery int he US post-civil war so either your family was a great exception or there may be some confusion.

What are these 'special racial priviledges' you're talking about?

Well there aren't any black americans alive today who were slaves. Unless they're older than we ever thought possible.

Er, yeah. It is ridiculous. But y'know what? That'll be white people taking everything from her. Not black people. If you speak to any reasonable person they'd tell you that they don't give a shit.

That is simply not true. It's sad that you can even think that. It just shows a massive lack of thought.

Again, this is usually the problem of stupid white folks.

If I was black and I turned on FoxNews, should I base my opinion of white people off Bill O'Reilly.

Sorry Chandra, but I can't agree with anything you say other than the fact that it's ridiculous this girl's been punished.

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Greaser

I think its because slavery and segregation only ended less than a 100 years ago so that memory and hatred is still fresh. and that people are trying to forget about it and move on. so when a white person tries and have fun its like picking a scab that needs more time to heal. Thousands of years ago the black enslaved their own kind. and on top of that almost every race at one time was enslaved as well. remember that controversy of one of the prince of england dressing up in Nazi fatigues that didn't

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Ghetto Onion

I think maybe she's talking about indentured servants. My irish ancestors were indentured servants which is kind of like slavery, since they really never worked their way out of the debt and many of the women were raped and abused. They were "sold" and had masters until their debt was paid but they weren't exactly slaves because they were white and weren't hated for being white.

I wonder if it's like this between the jews and germans over in Europe.

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Brewtality

That's what I was thinking but it just shows the general lack of thought on the subject. I walk around the Slavery Museum we have in Liverpool and you see things like ornate lady's hand-whips and all sorts of torture devices and you see etchings of how people were treated etc... and it's just a bit of an insult to dismiss all that stuff.

And as for Germany, not, it's not the same because there's a completely different history there. Jews weren't kidnapped and shipped 3000 miles away to spend the rest of their lives getting beaten. I guess it's also different because what hapenned in Europe was the result of a whacked-out ideology and wasn't a sort of 'fact of life' thing like slavery was.

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Ghetto Onion

I find this interesting, couldn't you say the same for slavery here? That it was just this whacked out ideology shared by white people that black folks were sub-humans and therefore best put as slaves. And of course it took us years to realize- hey we're all just human beings.

But for Germany- SO many germans went along with it. I guess I don't understand the difference, considering the sheer torture and vast amount of killing they endured, frankly I'm a little surprised they aren't hateful towards the Germans. I think there's a huge economic difference though to consider...minorities in America were dirt poor, and Jews have always been associated with having money.

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Chandra i highly suggest you relearn American history. The effects of slavery are still present in today's society. For you to not acknowledge that is just extremely ignorant.


And yes, you are extremely prejudice.

Being Black in America means that your are always aware of your race and that it is always a political topic.

If in your line of work you are expected to represent your job outside your work environment then you should take better care of your image. I don't pity the cheerleader. She's an idiot and if she gets fired oh well, should have put more thought into whether a black face is socially acceptable or not. By the way Chandra, it is not.