Thread: Lost - Series 6 (obviously)

Crap, forgot to set the DVR, I'll hafta DL EP1.
But yeah, seems typical of any show like that, cant have all questions answered until the end of the season to keep ratings up.
I forgot this was starting again, now I cant wait to see it again.
There were some brutal cliffhangers last season..

Oh man that was a really gash episode. Really, REALLY gash.

Hmm, kinda gash, but then on the flipside they've now introduced the idea of being 'claimed'.


"Two sides Walt. One is light, one is dark."



Maybe Locke's been being claimed by both sides, since the crash. Just a thought.

I think Sayid's been claimed by the MIB, hence why Dogen wants him dead. Plus, in the Lost promo pics, the last supper stuff, Sayid's sitting in Judas's seat. But Claire's very interesting, has she for some reason been turned into some crazy Rousseau-esque creature?

But yeah, the episode wasnt as full of reveals as I'd have liked, but I think it had its place. Annoying as it is in the last series, not every episode can be non-filler.

Yeah but that 'claimed' thing was sort of alluded to in the last series wasn't it. When Jacob told Hurley to take Sayid to the Temple, the first thing I thought was that he was going to get turned evil like Ben. I remembered Richard saying something like, "You understand that he'll never be the same. He'll be different. And he won't remember anything of what happened."

Sort of alluded to, but there was nothing definite at all, no-one had the slightest clue how they were going to revive Ben.

Plus, we don't know how Ben was revived, we don't necessarily know that he was 'claimed' by the MIB, after all the water in the pool is usually clear, so it could have been Jacob who healed him. And there's no proof at all that Ben was 'turned evil'. After all, he refused to kill Rousseau's child (contrary to orders from the then leader Widmore), he raised Alex as his own and truly felt incredibly cut up when she died.

Sure, he killed a shitload of people including his father, but we don't know the events that led up to this yet, which I think will have something to do with Annie. Or maybe he was given orders to from above, after Dharma breached the treaty.

Yar. He did ultimately let Alex die though.

As for being 'claimed' yeah we'll just have to wait and see. But it's interesting that Ben thought Jacob lived in Horace's old cabin whereas it looks like that was actually where MIB was chilling for some time. Wonder what was going on there, especially if Ben never actually heard anything in there....

Well that's another interesting point. A lot of people have suggested that MIB was basically imprisoned in the hut, hence the ring of ash, but if MIB is actually the smoke monster, this doesn't make any sense.

Hm.

Trailer for tomorrow's episode looks bloody excellent though.

Yeah, I guess that feeds the 'two smoke monsters' theory. And of course Christian/Black Horse/Walt were seen walking about the place. But then Jacob's 'bodyguards' were pretty pissed off when they found the ash ring broken outside the shack. And why would MIB be protecting the temple back in the 70's??? If MIB can be the black smoke then I guess it would stand to reason that Jacob could too....

Jacob didn't visit Locke and touch him at any point in his past did he? Interesting. Perhaps MIB can't directly bring people to the island and has to rely on other methods of manipulation e.g. Widmore sending Abaddon/Lt. Daniels/The Leanest Guy On The Planet to convince Locke to go on his walkabout etc..

And of course Christian/Black Horse/Walt were seen walking about the place.

And Locke's Dad too. There's a nice theory that whatever was the biggest influence in their lives off the island was brought with them to the island, as a test.

Jack - Christian
Hurley - Dave
Sawyer - Locke's Dad
Locke - Locke's Dad
Charlie - heroin
Kate - the black horse (freedom to run)

Etc. Hmm.

And why would MIB be protecting the temple back in the 70's??? If MIB can be the black smoke then I guess it would stand to reason that Jacob could too....

Well I don't know about you, but as soon as I saw Locke/MIB talking about wanting to go home, I thought of the fallen angels in Dogma. MIB may well have been the temple's guardian, but then like Lucifer, doubted Jacob and decided he could sit with Jacob as an equal, causing his outcasting from the temple. When he told Jacob's bodyguards they were free to go, and Richard that it was good to see him without his chains, I really got a vibe of 'deluded ex-trusted servant goes nuts and convinces himself its for everyone's own good'.

Jacob didn't visit Locke and touch him at any point in his past did he? Interesting.

Exactly, what if when Jacob touched and 'resurrected' Locke, he actually 'claimed' him?

Perhaps MIB can't directly bring people to the island and has to rely on other methods of manipulation e.g. Widmore sending Abaddon/Lt. Daniels/The Leanest Guy On The Planet to convince Locke to go on his walkabout etc..

Totally. Hence his statement about 'the amount of trouble he has gone through to get here.' Manipulating Locke and Ben into becoming the leaders of the others, all that jazz.

Dunno about two smoke monsters though. Even though it's not looking likely, I do really like the idea of the smoke monster being an independent, impartial being that just guards the island. I think they could get a lovely WTF moment if the smoke monster turns up and does something totally uncharacteristic, like saves a 'good guy' or something.

Well, smokey is deffo MIB eh? Nice bit with the numbers in the latest episode but I found it was a bit too easy to predict what was going to happen. Still, it was dead good.

Intersting theory about people bringing challenges with them to the island but I reckon that might just be something that MIB or Jacob is using to manipulate people one way or another seeing as they're intimately acquainted with everybody's past lives.

MIB's little speech about how he used to be a man etc... sounds a lot like Lucifer does it not?

The numbers corresponding to the Losties was a very nice twist though. Whoever was in the Swan hatch had to keep entering them until the people who's numbers they were showed up and then whatever endgame was planned was set into motion perhaps. The button was pressed every 108 minutes/seconds which is the sum of the numbers... Kate doesn't have a number though (but she WAS touched by Jacob! Perhaps 108 is her number????) which is interesting. Maybe she's there as a test for Jack and Sawyer... You see the name Jones? That was on Widmore's Army uniform wasn't it????

I reckon we could be getting thrown a few red-herrings as far as the whole black/white angle goes. One of the promos for this series has the characters standing on a chess board and of course in chess, the black and white simply signify which team you're on rather than who's the good guy and who's the bad guy.

It makes sense that the Losties who have numbers should be candidates though - especially Jack with his tattoo and all that jazz. Obviously Richard only visited Locke because he must've been the only 'candidate' he knew about as it's obvous Jacob wasn't letting on exactly what he was doing. Didn't Illana say something about Frank being a candidate?

I was thinking during last week's episode that the ash that keeps the smoke monster out was the ash from either Jacob's body (time-travelling involved obv.) or something like that so now it seems that it may be from past leaders of the island which would explain why MIB/Smoke monster can't get past it ("You know the rules").

You seen the promo for the next episode? I reckon a certain Mr. Widmore or possibly Desmond is on their way to the Island..... I'd say it's gotta be Widmore. Weren't Jacob's last words 'They're coming'? Maybe MIB is going to use Widmore to leave the Island. Perhaps he wants to trade places with him and 'give' the Island to Widmore. But I have to say, if MIB was that arsed about getting off the Island, then why didn't he just use the Dharma sub? It looked like he was imprisoned in the shack but of course the smoke monster was out and about (killing French peeps and airline pilots) so why didn't he just smoke himself down the docks. Perhaps there are more rules governing how he can get off the Island....

I also forsee a big sacrifice for Ben. After so long of doing what he's been told and executing orders ruthlessly and without question, and after his words at Locke's 'funeral', I'd say he's in for some redemption of the 'dying-to-protect-the-island' kind.

And that kid....little Jacob? Wonder why Richard couldn't see him but Sawyer could. Something to do with being a candidate perhaps? Maybe it's Aaron but he looks a little old. But then, so did Walt.

How about we have Jack as the new Jacob and Sawyer as the new MIB????? I don't think it's going to happen but it'd be cool.

I'm not a huge fan of the alternate timeline but I guess at some point it's going to become relevant. Did we see Desmond get off the plane??? Des could be a key in this series because he's able to see different paths in time and has some extra-dimensional qualities so maybe he's going to act as a bridge between the two timelines...

It's all going to come down to FAITH I reckon. Jacob - as his name suggests - was a man of faith. Unlike MIB, he believed the island needed protecting. Jack is so crucial because he keeps on wavering between having the faith and not having it. He went and blew up an A-Bomb on the Island but now he's gone the other way a bit.... Next episode looks like a bit of a test for him.

where are you boy?

Haha. Rejoicing in my rage ticket. I'll grab some food and some rum, and I'll be right with you.

MIB's little speech about how he used to be a man etc... sounds a lot like Lucifer does it not?

Aye. Although as time goes by, I'm starting to become more and more drawn to the theory that the smoke monster is a djinn.

The numbers corresponding to the Losties was a very nice twist though. Whoever was in the Swan hatch had to keep entering them until the people who's numbers they were showed up and then whatever endgame was planned was set into motion perhaps. The button was pressed every 108 minutes/seconds which is the sum of the numbers... Kate doesn't have a number though (but she WAS touched by Jacob! Perhaps 108 is her number????) which is interesting. Maybe she's there as a test for Jack and Sawyer... You see the name Jones? That was on Widmore's Army uniform wasn't it????

Yeah, we don't know about kate yet, but they must have left her out deliberately. Jones was on Widmore's uniform, but he probably found it from one of the army guys who tried to invade the island.

I reckon we could be getting thrown a few red-herrings as far as the whole black/white angle goes. One of the promos for this series has the characters standing on a chess board and of course in chess, the black and white simply signify which team you're on rather than who's the good guy and who's the bad guy.

That promo wasn't actually official, it was made by a fan apparently. Damn good job they did of it though. I noticed another black/white mention aside from the pebbles on the scales, Locke was drinking from a mug that was black from one camera angle, and white from another.

It makes sense that the Losties who have numbers should be candidates though - especially Jack with his tattoo and all that jazz. Obviously Richard only visited Locke because he must've been the only 'candidate' he knew about as it's obvous Jacob wasn't letting on exactly what he was doing. Didn't Illana say something about Frank being a candidate?

Well technically, Richard visited Locke because MIB went back in time, pretending to be a Locke from the future, to tell Locke to visit Richard in the past, to tell Richard to go see whether he should become the next leader. Hence the tests with the sand, the compass, the knife, the book of law, and the unsatisfactory results. That wasn't really about a candidate for Jacob though, that was about finding a leader for the Others.

I was thinking during last week's episode that the ash that keeps the smoke monster out was the ash from either Jacob's body (time-travelling involved obv.) or something like that so now it seems that it may be from past leaders of the island which would explain why MIB/Smoke monster can't get past it ("You know the rules").

Or possibly from the volcano. There's something quite L. Ron Hubbard about it all if it is.

Perhaps there are more rules governing how he can get off the Island....

Surely. I really, REALLY like this theory: The significance of the Island to the rest of the world

I also forsee a big sacrifice for Ben. After so long of doing what he's been told and executing orders ruthlessly and without question, and after his words at Locke's 'funeral', I'd say he's in for some redemption of the 'dying-to-protect-the-island' kind.

Maybe. I don't care much about Ben anymore, he's kind of outlived his purpose. There's got to be some huge (voluntary) sacrifice though, so it's fairly likely that it'll be his. He's got no family, no friends, and a shitload of guilt after all. I still want to know what happened with Annie though. Maybe she'll appear in a vision and he'll suddenly repent.

And that kid....little Jacob? Wonder why Richard couldn't see him but Sawyer could. Something to do with being a candidate perhaps? Maybe it's Aaron but he looks a little old. But then, so did Walt.

That kid reminded me of Cindy and the kids in Stranger in a Strange Land. When Jack's in the cage, and they all turn up, she tells Jack, 'we're here to watch, Jack.'

How about we have Jack as the new Jacob and Sawyer as the new MIB????? I don't think it's going to happen but it'd be cool.

Surely the battle's got to be a bit more epic than a penis measuring contest? Jack and Locke, there's a battle that's been properly brewing consistently throughout the show. And there's still some Locke in MIB, hence his 'don't tell me what I can't do!!' Science vs. faith, both of them having doubts, both of them embarking on quests and costing lives, both struggling to lead... Surely its not over between them.

Sawyer's just pissed off and being badass, but no doubt when he realises the damage he might be doing to Kate, he'll repent at the last moment and save the day in some tragic hero type of way. All he ever wanted was love! (Smallest violin...)

I'm not a huge fan of the alternate timeline but I guess at some point it's going to become relevant. Did we see Desmond get off the plane??? Des could be a key in this series because he's able to see different paths in time and has some extra-dimensional qualities so maybe he's going to act as a bridge between the two timelines...

No, we didn't see him get off the plane. I don't know what the fuck the crack is with Desmond, other than that he's not in it enough. I do very much hope that little Charlie isn't big Charles though.

It's all going to come down to FAITH I reckon. Jacob - as his name suggests - was a man of faith. Unlike MIB, he believed the island needed protecting. Jack is so crucial because he keeps on wavering between having the faith and not having it. He went and blew up an A-Bomb on the Island but now he's gone the other way a bit.... Next episode looks like a bit of a test for him

For sure, I think all of the candidates are being thoroughly tested to see which one will ensure that smokie never leaves the island and gets to the big wide world. Ever since the island moved, Jack's been knocked for six, none of his plans have really gone right, so he is, as most humans do in weak moments, starting to acquire faith in destiny. But I think he'll come round.

He should die though really. That's the one death no-one's expecting.