Thread: Peace in our time?

someone finally agrees, peace is unobtainable...

World Peace is some bull some delusional person came up with.
There never will be a Utopia on this planet. Why? Because we have a bunch of psychopathic morons as our leaders.
I’m in AI too, and some other environmental/global thing. I’ll keep on protesting our corrupt government till we get someone who will not do all the idiotic and useless things Bush and some presidents before him did. But that’s not likely.

I think that you guys are just a bit pessimistic if you think world peace isn't attainable. I mean, I agree that peace is down shit creek at this moment in time but there will be peace, maybe not in our generation or in 20 more generations but it will happen eventually. That's the plus side of globalization, I guess.

Just my $0.02

but don't you see? there will never be complete peace because every human being at one point or another has felt jealousy and/or fear, and when you put those two together, you have the makings of a war, however small and 'insignifigant'. Take away jealousy and there would be no economy (no one would want to buyt anything) take away fear and the world would be a boreing place. but i mean, not as though you'd be ABLE to take them away.....

Derek- hey. you stole my water supply for the drought.
Francis- No I didn't.
Derek- until you give it back, I'm gonna kill all of your cows.
Francis- yeah, well for each cow you kill, that'll be a family member of yours that I will kill.
Derek- you lay a finger on my family and I'll report you to the government!
Francis- you do that and i'll get my family to kill you in your sleep!

Derek(thinking)- h'mmm better kill him before he kills me...
Francis(thinking)- h'mmm better kill him before he kills me...


of course this happens much slower, but you get my drift. Get someone jealous, throw in a little fear, sprinkle with some suspicion, and bake with pride. Viola! Your very own, ready-to-eat WAR.

I was really referring to the macro view of peace, you know the larger picture of no bloody wars, ethnic cleansing...etc

Of course there is going to be bickering between two human beings and, although it was just an example, I can't imagine anything like that happening cause we have these things called "laws" and you can't just threaten to kill another person's entire family. Thats why we have courts to settle those disputes about who owns what...etc and I don't really think you can call that a "war".

As long as humanity remains free, in the way that we are now, there will never be world peace. It is against human nature to not fight with each other. Its a nice idea though

Too many people on the planet for peace. Althought peace is just an illusion. Think of it this way, it there was only 2 people left on the planet, they'd probably be fighting to see who could own more. lol... human nature.

There will never be peace on this planet because there are just too many fuckin' people. With 6 billion+ people all wanting different things how can anyone expect everyone to agree on how things should be? All's it takes is one asshole with a different plan to disrupt everything.

Well never get peace ever, inless everyone becomes like boring oppinionless compassionate drones.

Originally posted by «ÇhäötïǤLüñätïÇ»@Sep 3 2003, 03:29 AM
Too many people on the planet for peace.* Althought peace is just an illusion. Think of it this way, it there was only 2 people left on the planet, they'd probably be fighting to see who could own more. lol... human nature.

I don't think the number of people has anything to do with it. 1000s of years ago when the earth's population was significantly less, Rome was trying to take over the world. Look at any era in history and you're spoilt for choice about wars you can study.

we'll never have peace because human bature is built around expansion conquest and strife.

i think the only way to stop war is to kill everyone and/or make hamsters rule the world

Originally posted by boxer_dude@Sep 6 2003, 12:25 PM
There will never be peace on this planet because there are just too many fuckin' people. With 6 billion+ people all wanting different things how can anyone expect everyone to agree on how things should be? All's it takes is one asshole with a different plan to disrupt everything.

bingo - too many people to agree, even if it comes down to agreeing on peace. too many people are just crazy. they can't get enough of being martyrs and disrupting everything and ruining lives at will. like you said, all it takes is a couple people. that's where the bullshit in the world is.

however, i don't like pessimists. how does that help? even the great Voltaire, a critic of all things established, was able to criticise those who criticise everything without end - it is easy to point out flaws and complain about them, just as it is easy to complain about the current state of affairs or human nature. so why don't we focus on what's going on today, and what we can realisticially do to help the world?

a few examples come to mind -
- the war on terror --> not going so well as it stands, but everyone needs to stop complaining and band together on this one. this is where it is revealed that politics are bullshit - everyone has to act a certain way in order to get the approval of someone else, whether it's a presidential candidates looking for the vote or the high school protestor looking for easy approval and coolness from his/her friends.
- the environment --> yes, there's a problem. globalization is taking its toll. but so is the unbelieveable and unstoppable population of eastern countries. let's not blame everything on large corporations - they sustain many countries and take little in return. instead, let's try to pass stricter emissions restrictions, etc.

in the end, it's rarely that the critics, pessimists and rebels (for the sake of being rebels) that help the world. they feel fulfilled themselves, but have done little for anyone else. anyone can point out a flaw. it takes a real person to fix out. at least that's the way I see it.